Report: Iran to provide Syria with $1b for new weapons

[Chaigidel]

israel drops bombs on children that will one day try to kill israelis so why not kill them young?

[Rapax]

Try this article on the subject, I found it quite interesting and at least from someone who knows what he's talking about before we degrade anymore into this childish "israel will kick anyone's ass"-comments.

http://www.forward.com/articles/war-...ver-the-golan/

@humvee:
I fail to see just how you make out the winner and the loser of the so-called 2nd lebanon war based on the measly arguments you provide. Casualty numbers? It was the UN not hezbollah? The simple point that stands is that Israel could not force a decision in this and experts agree it was a sorry show of force.

[Miraj]

israel drops bombs on children that will one day try to kill israelis so why not kill them young?

Good point! I'm glad we have a person who can look into the future among us.

[Eranshahr]

So people should kill children?

Well if you think so why not make a 9/11 against American kindergardens?
I mean, one day in the future they will atleast kill someone in wars and then those who already died in 9/11, they did it well. i sure hope Al-qaeda or the Taliban does so again.

You know, both are extreme. it is never jsut to kill young, and what I said does have a point, American men adn women will one day be soldiers, So it is ok for others to kill them young too?

I don't know if you understood what you said Chaigidel, you made a similar statement just like someone you call terrorist would do. Or even Hitler.

[PacSubCom]

The emotional reaction is justified. Israel dropped the bombs with the fuill knowledge that bystanders will inadvertedly be hit. That's the same as targeting them specifically. Their intentions are irrelevant, only the outcome matters. At least with military grade weaponry off mass destruction like cluster bombs (whch are illegal to begin with, and for this very reason).

[Chaigidel]

well Im glad to see that the arabs have won the propaganda war in at least mirage and rapax's minds.

the 2nd lebanon war was a propaganda win for the arabs but that is all... as obvious by our members in TWC so blindly obedient to the arab agenda.

but yes it displayed some cardinal problems with the Israeli strategy, but you are leaving out one thing

nukes
syria will never attack israel because israel will nuke them, simple as that you all know the evil back stabbing jews would use nukes dont you?

I can practically see the devil noses on those damn jews cant you?

no I dont care about kids getting killed in war, because war is about one thing... winning. you only win if you destroy your enemy on absolutely every level including his children, there is nothing off limits.-- the arabs know this well.. we will learn in time.

[Rapax]

well Im glad to see that the arabs have won the propaganda war in at least mirage and rapax's minds.

Actually you're not seeing anything, you're just trying to wage your own little propaganda war on here without any actual regard for what people are actually saying.

[Miraj]

You heard it from the horse's mouth itself people: KILL CHILDREN

Looks like the hard-on some people have for Israel is more crooked than I thought.

[Chaigidel]

no I read your article and presented a response, you dont have a response because what I said is true-- Israel has Nukes and syria doesnt.

war is not good and I would be happy if all wars everywhere stopped

but if your in a goddamn war there is nothing off limits, as soon as you place limits on yourself you lose.

we nuked japan, we machine gunned 3000 japanese soldiers in the water , we firebombed dresden, burning children and women and old men alive, we killed hundreds of thousands of civilians to make the point that we were more willing to win the war than germany and japan.<< just an example of why total war is the only kind of war.

every other war that we have ever engaged in and we refrained from the wholesale destruction of the civilian population then we havent gotten a clean surrender in ages :O ( admittedly the whole police-war thing we have going on is a different paradigm, but civilians still die, it happens every day.

like I said war is not good or pretty or right, but it is war.

Israel will not be defeated by any arab nation.

[Rapax]

no I read your article and presented a response, you dont have a response because what I said is true-- Israel has Nukes and syria doesnt.

Uh...my article was written by a well respected jewish military historian posted on a jewish website. So how you go from that and tell me I've fallen for arab propaganda just doesn't make any sense for me. Nevermind the fact that your endless tirade about total war is decidely tiring and entirely uninteresting when one should be concerned about the things that could happen as opposed to wet dreams about annihilation no one would be stupid enough to start.

[Chaigidel]

wet dreams about annihilation ? ridiculous

I clearly stated several times that war is wrong, and I would be pleased if it all stopped how is this a wet dream of total war?

I read your article and he did not mention the nukes obviously, he pointed out the logistics and the new situation with syrian military, none of that changes the fact that syria is not a nuke having country and Israel is.

which is why syria and every other arab nation stands NO chance at ALL against Israel no matter what they have , until they have ze nukes.


exactly no one would be stupid enough to start this, so why are you suggesting that syria will attack Israel?

wet dreams of total annihilation of Israel?

[Eranshahr]

Believe me, any of you.

I know a lot about all countries militaries, I know their way of politics and how many of their citizens are treated. Let me tell you this.

Israel in a total war will hesitate before destroying total cities, So will Syria, US and many other countries. Because politically they see it wrong.

Then we have Iran. the people there sees taht wrong. But believe me, If there is going o be a war between Israel and Iran, The Iranian regime is controlling all Iranian WMd's, not some commander, it is the Rahbar himself, He will not hesitate a sec to destroy Jerusalem, Tel aviv, Haifa or all of Israel..

I know there are going to be comments showering over me, But I am telling you the truth. That is why Iran is such a difficult target, The rulers anre Fanatics, not religious, they are jsut fanatics.

Killing children is wrong, I hope everybody can agree, nd I think Chaigidels comments were just out of emotions or that he is angry.

Israel has admitted defeat in the 2nd Lebanon war, It admitted defeat officially, with both the President and prime minister saying they were defeated by Hezbollah several times, When Israel itself says so, It would be wise by the public to listen to them, admitting defeat is the hardest thing a government can do. That is why it wasn't just a propaganda victory, it was a victory.

in a war, Israel will not use nukes, maybe cluster bombs, But nukes? No. It is more a Saddam-Bush way of defeating the enemy.

[Chaigidel]

Israel would only use nukes if attacked obviously.

but I would like you to show me where olmert (pres and prime) said that hezbollah defeated them.

your absolutely correct killing children is wrong, but guess what?

war is wrong.

kids are valid targets in a military sense, everything is a valid target in a military sense

there is NO ethics in warfare.

I never said killing kids was the good thing to do, I said it is what you do when you want to win the war. you destroy what your enemy depends on.

and break the will to carry on the war.

[Miraj]

kids are valid targets in a military sense, everything is a valid target in a military sense

there is NO ethics in warfare.

So then you agree that terrorism is a valid tactic?

[Chaigidel]

yes I absolutely agree that terrorism is a valid tactic.-- often the best tactic for a small group

[Rapax]

I read your article and he did not mention the nukes obviously, he pointed out the logistics and the new situation with syrian military, none of that changes the fact that syria is not a nuke having country and Israel is.

Well either you're lying to me and haven't read it or you simply did not understand some of what it said cause it clearly mentions Israelis nuclear capabilities more than once but also why it wouldn't be relevant for the scenario described. That's what I mean with your wet dream of annihilation, that you're not willing to focus your mind on the possible dangers and instead just tell us that any attack on israel will result in annihilation, as if total war is the only form of warfare in existence. I thought the article was nicely written on how syria could go about such a war with israel without having nukes rain down on them but you chose to ignore it and stuck to your "no debate, israel will just nuke everyone, end of story"-point. Sad.

[Eranshahr]

Mirage made a 3 point score

if doing everything to stop and brake the enemy, then the 9/11 atacks weren't wrong?

Israel would not use nukes if attacked, because Israel would be gone the first hours of the war, Nothing would be left, and Iran would probably strike Israeli nuke missiles so they blow up Israel.
Israel is ruled by idiots, Idiots with hearts.
Iran is ruled by emtpy heads with nothing except tricky rhetoric somewhere in their body, and no hearts.

there are laws in military and war. Those laws must be followed, If they weren't there i am sure nobody would care about terrorsits, as they are also doing their " job" in war.

Atleast you are admitting that war and killing are wrong, that is a good start

[Chaigidel]

no I merely believe that Israel would use nukes if engaged with more than just syria..

obviously the tactical process layed out by the article author is a concise one, if israel responded to a syrian attack then syria could engage and tangle up the military very efficiently.-- I havent denied that one time.

I simply believe that syria and every other nation that wants to attack Israel will not becaus of the nuke thing, I dont know what Israel would do, but I do know that the threat of nukes is a good one, just like nobody would attack pakistan(no nation) or india or china etc etc.

but I dont deny any point made in the article.

[Chaigidel]

of course the 9/11 attacks werent wrong in the sense of a military attack

it was of course wrong all war is wrong


but I am constantly amused by everyone thinking the arabs have the power to attack israel because if they could they would have, because unlike the jews the arabs want the annihilation of Israel.

the jews dont want anyone to be annihilated, and Eran your racism is plain with your statement about Israel being ruled by idiots with hearts.

the overestimation of the power and innocence of the arabs in the ME is amusing to say the least if not a little troubling at the success of the arab propaganda to encourage young people to support their evil cause of extermination of Israel.

gah merge sorry mods

[Miraj]

Okay, Chaig. Wow. Stop it right there.

You first make a clearly racist statement right here:

the arabs want the annihilation of Israel.

Clearly accusing all Arabs with what basically amounts to a blood libel.

And then you go on to say:

Eran your racism is plain with your statement about Israel being ruled by idiots with hearts.

Accusing the rather well-meaning Eran of being a racist because he made some rude statements about Israeli politicians.

Seriously, give me a break.