Range values for those using Real-Combat mod.

[Armoured Hoplite]

Range values for Real-Combat mod.
*All values subject to change

Foot Archers:

Peasant Archers (all) - 100
Archer Militia (all) - 110
Longbowmen - 190
Yeomen Archers - 190
Retinue Longbowmen - 200
Sherwood Archers - 200
Highland Archers - 110
Noble Highland Archers - 140
Dismounted French Archers -190
Scots Guard - 200
Muslim Archers - 200
Venetian Archers – 200
Trebizond Archers – 200
Byzantine Guard Archers – 210
Bosnian Archers – 120
Lithuanian Archers – 120
Dismounted Lithuanian Cavalry - 200
Norse Archers – 120
Turkish Archers – 200
Ottoman Infantry – 200
Janissary Archers – 220
Desert Archers – 200
Nubian Archers – 200
Varangian Archers – 180
Basque Archers – 210
Aztec Archers - 110
Mongol Foot Archers – 200
Mongol Infantry – 200
Dismounted Archers (Mongols) – 210
Sabadar Militia (Timurids) - 190
Dismounted heavy Archers (Mongols & Timurids) - 210
Templar Longbowmen - 180

(Mercenaries)

Welsh Longbowmen – 190
Free Company Longbowmen – 190
Bulgarian Brigands – 200
Balkan Archers – 120
Armenian Archers – 200
Hunters - 120
Native Archers – 120
Tlaxcalan Archers - 120

Crossbows:

Peasant Crossbowmen (all) - 130
Crossbow Militia (all) - 130
Crossbowmen - 140
Pavise Crossbow Militia - 210
Pavise Crossbowmen - 220
Genoese Crossbow Militia - 220
Genoese Crossbowmen - 230
Aventurier – 230

(Mercenaries)

Mercenary Crossbowmen - 140
Mercenary Pavise Crossbowmen – 220
Arbalasters - 140

Gunpowder:

Hand Gunners (all) – 55
Arquebusiers – 100
Mercenary Arquebusiers - 100
Portuguese Arquebusiers – 100
Musketeers - 150
Cossack Musketeers – 155
Janissary Musketeers – 160
Sudanese Gunners – 100
Greek Arquebusiers - 100

Foot Javelins:

(All except below) - 45
Almughavars – 55
Arrow Warriors – 50

(Mercenaries)

Irish Kerns - 40
Afghan Javelinmen Mercenaries – 50
Slavic Javelinmen – 55
Catalans - 55

Naffatun: – 40

Mounted Ranged Units (including javelins & Gunpowder):

Desert Cavalry - 40
Jinetes - 40
Granadine Jinetes – 40
Boyar Sons – 45
Polish Nobles – 50
Reiters – 55
Mounted Crossbowmen – 120
Kazaks – 160
Dvor – 170
Cossack Cavalry – 170
Byzantine Cavalry 160
Skythikon -160
Vardariotai - 180
Magyar Cavalry – 160
Hungarian Nobles – 180
Lithuanian Cavalry – 100
Polish Shooters – 120
French Mounted Archers – 140
Turkish Horse Archers – 180
Turkomans – 190
Sipahis - 190
Mamluk Archers – 180
Granadine Crossbow Cavalry – 120
Camel Gunners – 180
Elephants – 120
Mongol Horse Archers – 190
Mongol Heavy Horse Archers – 190
Heavy Horse Archers (Kievan Rus) – 180
Cossack Gunners - 180


(Mercenaries)

Cuman Horse Archers – 160
Bedouin Camel Riders – 100
Turkopoles – 100
Akinjis – 160
Turkoman Mercenaries – 190
Elephant Mercenaries – 120
Numidian Cavalry - 55


Any errors let me know.

[Player44]

Don't french archers use the longbow and consequently have longbow ranges?

[Point Blank]

Yes, looks to be an error above.

[Daergar]

Did the vikings/saxons, and thus the danish "norse archer", use longbows as well?

[HakanSherif]

Whats the name of file so i can study the accuracy against range and horse archer stats aswell? Becoz with these values it seems horsearchers are nerfed bad.

[Quark]

Please, nobody get me started on French Longbow archers

Horse archers use, at thier peak, composite recurve bows which have a shorter range than a similar longbow. Pulling power has a great effect on range (although not accuracy) , so my view is that horse archers will always have a reduced accuracy range over standing archers, this is offest by their great mobility and spped advantage. The figures are meant to reflect this (not saying we have not got some wrong, may want to increase Welsh Longbowmen).

Its all about searching for the Holy Grail of balance. If horse archers are too powerful, then we will all have to start learning Hungarian.

The file to search is the EDU where all unit ranges are stated eg.
type Cuman Horse Archers
stat_pri 3, 1, cav_composite_arrow, 160, 35, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1

[delra]

Janissaries win with Sherwood archers, are recruitable from cities and have stakes. Best unit ever? :-)

[Armoured Hoplite]

Don't french archers use the longbow and consequently have longbow ranges?

Should be 190, fixed.

HakanSherif, the file I use is the export_desc_unit file in your M2TW/Stainless_Steel_mod/data folder. As far as determining accuracy, I'm not sure where that is located or how it is done. But as a note, when looking through the file mentioned above, note that units like "peasant", or "militia" units have decreased accuracy. Basically, the more professional and higher tier the unit, the more accurate it will be (as it should be).

[Quark]

Missile accuracy is determined by the descr_projectile.txt file. This is also where you can define missile types. This is where the 'trick' of giving better units better accuracy comes from by giving them better arrows. I must say that I like this solution very much over the everyone fires the same way approach of vanilla.

[Armoured Hoplite]

Thanks Quark, and yes, having a total of 2 ranges (120 and 160) for almost every archer and crossbowmen is simplistic and unrealistic IMHO.

What I like is the fact that now with different "quality" units/weapons, just because a unit has long range doesn't mean that you want to fire right away because you may be very inaccurate at that distance. I see myself using "hold fire" more now, especially with my horse archers and pavise crossbow militia. Of course if I am being charged its fire at will.

[Player44]

Please, nobody get me started on French Longbow archers

Horse archers use, at thier peak, composite recurve bows which have a shorter range than a similar longbow. Pulling power has a great effect on range (although not accuracy) , so my view is that horse archers will always have a reduced accuracy range over standing archers, this is offest by their great mobility and spped advantage. The figures are meant to reflect this (not saying we have not got some wrong, may want to increase Welsh Longbowmen).

Its all about searching for the Holy Grail of balance. If horse archers are too powerful, then we will all have to start learning Hungarian.

The file to search is the EDU where all unit ranges are stated eg.
type Cuman Horse Archers
stat_pri 3, 1, cav_composite_arrow, 160, 35, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1

By the way, I was talkign about the dismounted kind.

[Armoured Hoplite]

HakanSherif, I didn't see you comment earlier. Don't worry, horse archers are not really nerfed but you do need to be more careful with them against high quality ranged foot units. But then it is easy to place them on high ground and such which obviously has advantages. For example, Magyar cavalry now have a range of 160 (from 120), and Hungarian Nobles have a range of 180 (from 120). So don't worry, horse archers still have good range and are certainly still useful. In fact, they are murder on the shorter range units, in vanilla, they didn't have a longer range than anyone. Again, it is great that more strategy/tactics have been added.

Btw, I posted this for you and that's all you have to say . just kidding.

[Armoured Hoplite]

Did the vikings/saxons, and thus the danish "norse archer", use longbows as well?

Daergar, I don't think Point Blank changed anything for a specific unit to be more historically accurate. I believe he based his values on the actual weapons used in game. So if the Norse Archer for example used a standard bow (not composite, longbow, etc.), then that is what the range value would be based on along with a few other factors (quality of unit, training, etc.).

*As a note I know nothing in terms of the use of the longbow by the vikings/saxons.

[King Kong]

Thanks Armored Hoplite!
This is some very useful info!

However, actually the Hunters are supposed to be a bit better than peasant archers, since hunting is their profession . I would give them at least a range of 110-120.

[Quark]

Player44
Sorry, Mounted French Archers set me off, but the main point was in reply to the post by HakanSherif.

KK
Your wish is our command, sorted for tonights (final?) release of EDU.

PS they also have a better arrow type for increased accuracy.

[Chola_Kingdom]

Please, nobody get me started on French Longbow archers

Horse archers use, at thier peak, composite recurve bows which have a shorter range than a similar longbow. Pulling power has a great effect on range (although not accuracy) , so my view is that horse archers will always have a reduced accuracy range over standing archers, this is offest by their great mobility and spped advantage. The figures are meant to reflect this (not saying we have not got some wrong, may want to increase Welsh Longbowmen).

Its all about searching for the Holy Grail of balance. If horse archers are too powerful, then we will all have to start learning Hungarian.

The file to search is the EDU where all unit ranges are stated eg.
type Cuman Horse Archers
stat_pri 3, 1, cav_composite_arrow, 160, 35, missile, missile_mechanical, piercing, none, 0, 1

so true

[Armoured Hoplite]

Thanks KK, .

Ranged mounted units added to original post.

Tamplar Longbowmen added to foot archers section.

Quark or Shaeffer, I noticed that Kiev's Heavy Horse Archers only have a range of 120 but have a "quality composite bow." I am assuming it should be around 180 or so. Is this right, or is it something you caught already?

[King Kong]

Hi Armoured Hoplite & Quark,

Just as mall addition before I must leave:
Arbalesters were actually the most dangerous and heaviest crossbows (disadvantage was the low defense) and they are more expensive than pavise crossbowmen in the campaign, so maybe their range should be equal to the pavise crossbow and the attack should be a bit higher.

Cheers!

[Armoured Hoplite]

Doh!

That was another one I meant to ask about along with Kievan Rus Heavy Horse Archers.

Thanks KK.

[ME2_junky]

Uhm...don't wanna ruin it for anyone...but ranges greatly depend on the bow used...you could be a farmer, or the ultimate warrior...if both use the same bow, both will pretty much have the same range. As for accuracy, thats a different matter...
Seeing as though longbows could reach into the 270 meter area & short bows could still manage a good 130 meters...
As for the javelin....70 meters is quite attainable...

I think that list needs some changes...but thats just me.