Brothels

[crazyj]

Well...they suck...yea, you get spies and assassins, but whats the point when every f'ing general in a city with one (or a tavern, getting worse as you upgrade) ends up an adulterous bastard who doesn't father children, often getting the "uninhibited" and "shameless" traits to boot, which means the children he DOES have are usually fairies...it's a vicious cycle. Throw in rampant alcoholism and basically it guarantees that cities are general killers once a brothel or tavern is built. The freaking description says its someplace "commoners" can go, not the royal family out slumming.

I waste so much time micromanaging settlements (as I lose out on the happiness factor of such buildings) and trying to figure out the one settlement I want to have a tavern so I can produce spies and assassins...of course, I have to put some worthless general in charge, but considering that taverns go in cities ($$) his expendable ass usually ends up costing me money and happiness in said city...just ridiculous that everyone should get a mistress cuz theres a freaking tavern in the city...

Is it too much to ask that some of them just get drunk and dont go picking up skanks, STDs, and eventually turn "bi-curious"?

So who else plays the game sans brothels?

[Sher Khan]

Honestly, I'm quite prolific in building brothels in cities where I already have generals.

I never notice getting any harsh traits, but sometimes I do. Not enough to worry or care, though. Maybe I'm just lucky with traits (as in not getting bad ones).

[TW_ruler]

Well...they suck...yea,

I waste so much time micromanaging settlements (as I lose out on the happiness factor of such buildings) and trying to figure out the one settlement I want to have a tavern so I can produce spies and assassins...of course, I have to put some worthless general in charge, but considering that taverns go in cities ($$) his expendable ass usually ends up costing me money and happiness in said city...just ridiculous that everyone should get a mistress cuz theres a freaking tavern in the city...

Not at all brother, Yes they do have adverse effects on generals garrisoned there or functioning as governors. But you don’t put them in a city that has one. I have excellent cities making good money without the need of a governor. You need spies and assassins to protect you cities and generals. I never have the issue because you don’t build them everywhere. That’s all there is to it. You’ll have those nice assassins to protect your generals and spies to guard your cities from other spies creating unrest. Also focusing only on one or two cities that your building inns and such will allow you to get some nice guilds like assassins guilds and thieves’ guilds it totally rocks if you know what you’re doing. The only time these buildings cause unrest for me is if a general is in that city becoming an alcoholic.

[hungry_hungary]

Gayness is rampant in the late game tho
btw if you dont use spies and assassin your rep gets better

[pat the magnificent]

why would ****ing whores make someone queer? i never got that.

[TW_ruler]

why would ****ing whores make someone queer? i never got that.

May be they are man whores

[Borat Sagdiyev]

Well, at least the Brothels and Taverns keep up the public order better than if you didn't have one.

[Wheem]

I usually keep the brothel line of buildings to a minimum, and almost never leave a family member in a settlement with one. If I capture enemy settlements with those buildings, I'll often destroy them (sometimes train a spy or two first if I don't have any available in the area).

[UhOhIt'sAnArrow]

Honestly, I'm quite prolific in building brothels in cities where I already have generals.

I never notice getting any harsh traits, but sometimes I do. Not enough to worry or care, though. Maybe I'm just lucky with traits (as in not getting bad ones).

I'd have to say I experience the same thing. And also...

WHAT!? How dare you say such a thing about my assasins. I mean master of spies and assasins for your Faction Leader give him some really nice benefits, plus what's more fun than killing the invading armies general and then wipping em out? NOTHING!

[The Kaiser]

I avoid building any level of Brothels on account of bad experience with Taverns back in RTW. Usually when I take a town I'll destroy the brothel there, but sometimes I will keep one or two for Spy training (to prevent enemy assassins), until I can get up an Academy in one of my citadels.

@Borat Sagdiyev

While it is true that Brothels and up keep public order somewhat, I've noticed even without them, homogeneous religion and Town Halls/Religious buildings do excellent without them. Occasionally they'll dip, but that can be fixed by placing generals in and lowering taxes/boosting the town guard numbers.

[Glade]

I found that high level brothels have an adverse effect on generals who never even been in the city. I get mistresses and other ancillaries even though i keep my generals out of whore houses. Basically the only thing that matters is that you have one not if the general is governor.

[split]

who cares, it all comes to how good YOU are on the battlefield not your general

[Wheem]

who cares, it all comes to how good YOU are on the battlefield not your general

1) Not all family members are used as generals, some are used exclusively (or almost exclusively) as governors. With certain bad traits, they can adversely affect the settlement they govern. While I've not yet seen it happen in M2:TW, I remember having some governors in RTW that made the city worse off, both in happiness and wealth, than not having them in it.

2) Some like the "role play" aspect of the game, and don't care for having most/all of the family being promiscuous, drunk, gamblers, effeminate, homosexual, or whatever. Not to mention the fact that it wouldn't really make sense to have some of those traits being rampant. If a big portion of a ruling family were homosexual in medieval times, I don't think the Pope would be too happy about it; but as far as I know it has no impact on relations with him in the game.

[Dimcantina]

why would ****ing whores make someone queer? i never got that.

Well maybe they have so much women that they get bored and... experiment.

[Recluse]

I agree with the OP, the bad trait and ancillary effects are just WAY too easy for your general/governor to get with this line of buildings.

Personally, if I have to build this line in order to recruit counterspies, I build it to the second level only.

The game seems unbalanced on picking up bad traits and there's nothing you can do to counter many of the bad ones like "Arse."

[P014K]

I usually have all my generals on military missions and don't really see a need for governors. It does wonders to the cities happiness and whatnot, but when I take a new settlement, I make sure its happy enough so that I can leave and it at least be yellow. Usually this doesn't take so long that I have to build a brothel, inn, or tavern. Usually a couple degrees of churches and town halls do the trick and some priest. Therefore, I have never experienced this effect due to the fact that I don't use governors.

If I do come across a crappy general I usually leave him in a city and let him rot until he dies, if he picks up any traits that lower public moral/income, I send him on a suicide mission. (my personal favorite is sending him alone to a large rebel army, but putting him in a ship and disbanding it works just as well)

1) Not all family members are used as generals, some are used exclusively (or almost exclusively) as governors. With certain bad traits, they can adversely affect the settlement they govern. While I've not yet seen it happen in M2:TW, I remember having some governors in RTW that made the city worse off, both in happiness and wealth, than not having them in it.

I've really never seen too much of this unless I keep a general/fam. member in a thriving city (making 1700+) too long. The only concrete example I can think of is w/ HRE, Leopold is a really good general to keep cooped up in Vienna, LOTS of cash flow there.

[CtrlAltDe1337]

I only build them where I don't wanna stow a general but I need some more public order. Otherwise I never build them.

[Kalos]

I don't build them. I don't need them.

[Wheem]

I usually have all my generals on military missions and don't really see a need for governors.

High Chivalry governors in the early game are great.

[crazyj]

But see guys, thats just it.

To those saying that they don't leave generals in cities with brothels...thats one of my points...that building a brothel/tavern means you generally have to leave it without a governor, which is often frustrating as I like to have governors in most cities, especially the big ones. Most cities also "deserve" governors, i.e. how can you NOT have (for roleplaying fun) a governor in Paris, Milan, Bordeaux, just about every city in the game was prominent in medieval times and therefore needs its proper Duke/Earl/Baron etc.

Also, having just one or two cities with brothels makes it a chore once you expand your empire, because who wants to have to spend 4+ turns moving a spy/assassin out to the front lines where they are needed to assassinate/counterspy against agitation.

And lastly, the idea of only having 1 or 2 cities with a brothel/tavern is quite galling to me, simply because this is MEDIEVAL times and I refuse to believe any city would actually NOT have a tavern (or Inn, but that makes it worse game wise). This isn't Prohibition, this is grog and fight fest.



Soooo, you end up having to leave major cities without governors for fear they will immediately become useless...plus you have to constantly spend years moving new espionage agents to the front lines from the few cities producing them, or constantly destroy/build those few taverns...plus most cities end up being a-historically deprived of their taverns and inns.

And really, I hate how I usually build every building in the tree before the city can upgrade, except for that damn brothel icon which just stays there in an otherwise cleaned out building window...taunting me, begging to be built but I know better...I'm not exaggerating to say I've sometimes spent minutes just staring at it, wondering if I dare...because I hate idleness, and I know my people deserve a tavern for their merry making, but I simply can't in the end...I'm gonna kick somebody in the nuts.