Making Your Greek Hoplite Fighting Syles Look Better

**Leonidas The Lion** · June 08, 2007, 03:12 PM

Ok there are two parts to this tutorial that make two changes to the way the Greek phalanx formations looks and the second the way the hoplites fight.

A Better Phalanx

The phalanx that the Greek Cities use are wrong they use the Macedonian phalanx here is how to make a better looking one:

We are going to edit the descr_model_battle file in your RTW Directory.
I will edit the armored hoplites(I use vanilla but works with other mods units too)

I search for hoplite until I find this entry:

Code:

type                greek_armoured_hoplite
skeleton            fs_slow_spearman, fs_slow_swordsman                                    ; combat spear
indiv_range            40
texture                carthage, data/models_unit/textures/unit_greek_elite_hoplite_carthage.tga
texture                greek_cities, data/models_unit/textures/unit_greek_elite_hoplite_greek.tga
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_high.cas, 15
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_med.cas, 30
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_low.cas, 40
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_lowest.cas, max
model_sprite        greek_cities, 60.0, data/sprites/greek_cities_greek_armoured_hoplite_sprite.spr
model_sprite        carthage, 60.0, data/sprites/carthage_greek_armoured_hoplite_sprite.spr
model_tri            400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

We are going to edit this line:

Code:

type                greek_armoured_hoplite
skeleton            fs_slow_spearman, fs_slow_swordsman                                    ; combat spear
indiv_range            40
texture                carthage, data/models_unit/textures/unit_greek_elite_hoplite_carthage.tga
texture                greek_cities, data/models_unit/textures/unit_greek_elite_hoplite_greek.tga
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_high.cas, 15
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_med.cas, 30
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_low.cas, 40
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_lowest.cas, max
model_sprite        greek_cities, 60.0, data/sprites/greek_cities_greek_armoured_hoplite_sprite.spr
model_sprite        carthage, 60.0, data/sprites/carthage_greek_armoured_hoplite_sprite.spr
model_tri            400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

Change the fs_slow_spearman to fs_javelinman so it looks like this:

Code:

type                greek_armoured_hoplite
skeleton            fs_javelinman, fs_slow_swordsman                                    ; combat spear
indiv_range            40
texture                carthage, data/models_unit/textures/unit_greek_elite_hoplite_carthage.tga
texture                greek_cities, data/models_unit/textures/unit_greek_elite_hoplite_greek.tga
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_high.cas, 15
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_med.cas, 30
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_low.cas, 40
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_lowest.cas, max
model_sprite        greek_cities, 60.0, data/sprites/greek_cities_greek_armoured_hoplite_sprite.spr
model_sprite        carthage, 60.0, data/sprites/carthage_greek_armoured_hoplite_sprite.spr
model_tri            400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

Then save it and your done the phalanx now will look much better.
It should look like this:

ok now for the second part.

A better fighting style

Alternatively if you want a better fighting style we again edit descr_model_battle and the export_descr_unit file.
In the entry:

Code:

type                greek_armoured_hoplite
skeleton            fs_javelinman, fs_slow_swordsman                               

    ; combat spear
indiv_range            40
texture                carthage,
data/models_unit/textures/unit_greek_elite_hoplite_carthage.tga
texture                greek_cities, data/models_unit/textures/unit_greek_elite_hoplite_greek.tga
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_high.cas, 15
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_med.cas, 30
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_low.cas, 40
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_lowest.cas, max
model_sprite        greek_cities, 60.0, data/sprites/greek_cities_greek_armoured_hoplite_sprite.spr
model_sprite        carthage, 60.0, data/sprites/carthage_greek_armoured_hoplite_sprite.spr
model_tri            400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

that just edited we will make them have a better fighting style.
We will edit these lines

Code:

type                greek_armoured_hoplite
skeleton            fs_javelinman, fs_slow_swordsman                                

    ; combat spear
indiv_range            40
texture                carthage, data/models_unit/textures/unit_greek_elite_hoplite_carthage.tga
texture                greek_cities, data/models_unit/textures/unit_greek_elite_hoplite_greek.tga
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_high.cas, 15
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_med.cas, 30
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_low.cas, 40
model_flexi            data/models_unit/unit_greek_hoplite_elite_lowest.cas, max
model_sprite        greek_cities, 60.0, data/sprites/greek_cities_greek_armoured_hoplite_sprite.spr
model_sprite        carthage, 60.0, data/sprites/carthage_greek_armoured_hoplite_sprite.spr
model_tri            400, 0.5f, 0.5f, 0.5f

Delete the second skeleton.
In export_descr_unit file we will edit this entry:

Code:

type             greek hoplite elite
dictionary       greek_hoplite_elite      ; Armoured Hoplites
category         infantry
class            spearmen
voice_type       Heavy_1
soldier          greek_armoured_hoplite, 40, 0, 1.3
officer          greek_standard
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy
formation        1, 1, 2, 2, 5, square, phalanx
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         9, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr    spear, spear_bonus_8
stat_sec         5, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  11, 6, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      2, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      8, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 640, 210, 70, 100, 640
ownership        greek_cities

We will edit thes lines/parts:

Code:

type             greek hoplite elite
dictionary       greek_hoplite_elite      ; Armoured Hoplites
category         infantry
class            spearmen
voice_type       Heavy_1
soldier          greek_armoured_hoplite, 40, 0, 1.3
officer          greek_standard
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy
formation        1, 1, 2, 2, 5, square, phalanx
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         9, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr    spear, spear_bonus_8
stat_sec         5, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, sword, 25 ,1
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  11, 6, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      2, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      8, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 640, 210, 70, 100, 640
ownership        greek_cities

delete the phalanx entry with the comma.
and change the emboldend numbers and words to:
no for the numbers and none for the words so it looks like this:

Code:

type             greek hoplite elite
dictionary       greek_hoplite_elite      ; Armoured Hoplites
category         infantry
class            spearmen
voice_type       Heavy_1
soldier          greek_armoured_hoplite, 40, 0, 1.3
officer          greek_standard
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, can_sap, hardy
formation        1, 1, 2, 2, 5, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         9, 4, no, 0, 0, melee, simple, piercing, spear, 25 ,1
stat_pri_attr    spear, spear_bonus_8
stat_sec         no, no, no, 0, 0, none, none, none, none, no ,no
stat_sec_attr    no
stat_pri_armour  11, 6, 5, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        4
stat_ground      2, 0, 0, 0
stat_mental      8, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 640, 210, 70, 100, 640
ownership        greek_cities

Save both files and your done this give the hoplites a better looking fighting style.

**Turk** · June 13, 2007, 09:59 AM

You forget to post:The need the new Animations and need to add them to the animations folder
but good Tutorial!

**Leonidas The Lion** · June 13, 2007, 03:09 PM

I did not use new animations.
You don't need them.

**ccllnply** · June 13, 2007, 05:00 PM

Great tutorial. I've been looking for this for weeks. Thanks. But you said something about giving the shield wall ability how do you add this to RTW

**Leonidas The Lion** · June 14, 2007, 04:44 AM

But you said something about giving the shield wall ability how do you add this to RTW

huh where did I say that:hmmm:

**ccllnply** · June 14, 2007, 05:59 AM

Sorry you didn't say that. I haven't got enough sleep lately I was thinking of a completely different tutorial

**Beremor** · November 22, 2007, 10:37 PM

Hey I did everything that you said to do and when i started up RTW it went to the screen with all the anti-copyright stuff or whatever it is and then crashed to the desktop can it be because i have a mod??

**Squid** · November 23, 2007, 10:08 AM

No it means you did something wrong with changes you've made, so I supposed the answer is technically yes, since these changes constitute a mod. Add -show_err to the end of the target line of the shortcut for rtw and if you're lucky it will tell you what the error you created is.

**Jarlaxe** · March 21, 2009, 01:18 AM

hi
i tried this one but it was a little wierd,the hoplites were holding the spears and hitting their enemies with the back end of the spear,i tried something else:
i removed the swordsman skeleton from the DMB
(i used only the fs_spearman skeleton) and instead of spear i used short_pike and only the primary weapon,i think it is approved the already phalanx style

**Conqistador** · March 21, 2009, 07:20 AM

the pic isn't showing

**Jarlaxe** · March 21, 2009, 08:10 AM

Originally Posted by Conqistador

the pic isn't showing

if you want a pic follow the link in my signature ,it s in the second page of the thread

**Conqistador** · March 21, 2009, 08:39 AM

Originally Posted by Jarlaxe

if you want a pic follow the link in my signature ,it s in the second page of the thread

Leonidas' formation pic...

**Subrosa Florens** · April 02, 2009, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by Jarlaxe

hi
i tried this one but it was a little wierd,the hoplites were holding the spears and hitting their enemies with the back end of the spear,i tried something else:
i removed the swordsman skeleton from the DMB
(i used only the fs_spearman skeleton) and instead of spear i used short_pike and only the primary weapon,i think it is approved the already phalanx style

What you need to do is open each of the .cas files for the unit in 3ds Max and spin the spear around. Then you will see them hold it normally.

**Jarlaxe** · April 02, 2009, 11:51 PM

Originally Posted by Subrosa Florens

What you need to do is open each of the .cas files for the unit in 3ds Max and spin the spear around. Then you will see them hold it normally.

thanks that helped a lot

**Hakomar** · August 31, 2009, 10:12 AM

I did as was said, but I got to the red loading screen and got a CTD.
I have -show err on, but I got no message.

**matt will** · September 06, 2009, 03:24 AM

Make sure the line is "C:\Program Files\The Creative Assembly\Rome - Total War\RomeTW.exe" -show_err
The area inside the " " is where the RTW exe is located don't change it. Put command line switches after the last quotation mark. They must be seperated by a spaces. And there must als be a space between every command line switch as well.

**Hakomar** · September 07, 2009, 08:12 PM

I do have that on.

**Squid** · September 07, 2009, 09:39 PM

Not all errors provide a message.

**Hakomar** · September 07, 2009, 11:12 PM

Ah. I thought it would of said unspecified error or something.

**gamer025** · June 01, 2011, 05:40 PM

The screens are all gone unfortunately. Good tutorial, but for historical purposes I'm sure the Greeks used the Macedonian-style phalanx by this time.

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