Ok starting this thread probably wasnt the wisest idea I have ever had so I have deleted a few of my posts.
Ok starting this thread probably wasnt the wisest idea I have ever had so I have deleted a few of my posts.
Last edited by Elrond; May 29, 2007 at 04:54 PM.
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Unfortuntely that is not an accurate statement. We still havent heard from at least two Committee members, Fabolous and Ragabash. Several members, including myself, have expressed reservations.
Lets try tabling and discussing alternative ideas before adopting any platforms.
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Myself, Leodonias, Prof, Kanaric and Lusted broadly support the idea of a Paradox sister site. two of the members havent spoken so out of the active members most (ie more than half) broadly support the idea - the language I used to describe support for the idea was correct.
My reasoning for this thread is that allot of the objections to the plan are on the grounds that it might not be practical / feaible - therefore I thought that it was a good idea that we discussed the varous feasibility issues rather than some people just saying its not feasible whilst saying that it is without either side discussing the matter in depth.
I also stated that other options should be disscussed (but not in this thread).
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Elrond, once again I say, Kanaric is the chairperson. These are his sorts of threads to be making and guiding discussion. You are being a bit trigger happy and aggressive in this; Kanaric has so far proven to be a very capable and effective chairperson, please stop jumping the gun. It has been 3 days of committee if that, do not rush the decision, and give all avenues their due process. These sort of "objectives" are best handled by the committee chair; if you disagree with them then bring it up them but, for everyone's sake, please settle down. This is not meant as a personal attack or reprimand as I am not your superior but it is a suggestion that would well serve everyone on this council, as well as earn you more respect. Thank you.
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There should be give and take on all sides.
I see no lecturing. There again, I am an outside observer. Whilst there is nothing wrong with exploring various options, it is actually a good idea for things to be coordinated lest effort being misdirected. I strongly advise that time is given for other members to get a chance to have a look (I think I am right in thinking this is a bank holiday weekend (well, it is here...). Just to repeat myself - Rome was not built in a day. Enthusiasm is a wonderful thing, so is consensus at times.
king rick, I will avoid responding to your points individually, because for the sake of what we are discussing they are quite irrelevant. I will say a few things about them in general. Your third and eighth points in general really sum up the situation. It has been 4 hours, and you take lack of response as a sign of agreement. There is a reason Kanaric was made chairperson, there are reasons we were not. This is not a committee of king rick, or anyone in particular, we are a team and we are to act like a team. Part of acting like a team means submitting to the will of your team leader as long as he proves well and able, and let your leader do the leading; it is fine to take the initiative but you are not the agenda setter for the team. This is the second time you are guilty of breaching this tenet of teamwork in as many days.
Secondly, is playing nice with your teammates. You've now been in two spats with your teammates, in as many days. I was respectful and not personal in my statement to you, yet you responded with personal insults and character attacks. If you haven't noticed, we are on the same side. In fact on most issues we are in agreement; however you are in no position to gerrymander the discussion or come to too-early conclusions, as you continually do. If how you want to work with your teammates is by attacking them, by pressing forward an agenda and objectives and questions that aren't ripe to be considered yet, by personally insulting them in an irrelevant defense of your actions, perhaps you and this committee would be better served if you stepped down.
For all your "points," I'll have you know, not a single one actually defended your actions. They are all enumerations on "oh well this is me" and "shut up," neither of which are actually conducive towards debate or develop any thoughtful ideas. Perhaps if you look at why you attacked Garbarsardar, why you made that hasty poll yesterday which we all agreed was out of line, and why you make threads like this (that the only other person to reply already had reservations as well, it should be noted), as well as posts like the above, and think about why you do these and what they hope to achieve, you will be more considerate of your actions and able to defend them with more than personal insults.
Good day.
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Last edited by Elrond; May 29, 2007 at 04:49 PM.
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I might be wanting an apology soon...
kanaric is the 'boss' of this Committee, otherwise why have a leader? All groups need a leader of sorts otherwise they do not work - period.
He isnt the boss of the commitee, he is its chair person and therefore its nominal leader - being commitee leader doesnt make him my boss it makes him first among equals - you seem to be mis understanding the relationship between a committe chair and a commitee member - if for instance I were content staff then a content editor would be my boss.
I have a high opinion of Kanaric - it is the nature of his position I arguing about.
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And you seem to be misunderstanding your role and what a good team player is...
I am going to ask the committee chair, or Hex, to close this, as it is in everyone's best interest. Right now you are digging a hole and I don't think your righteous argument against two of your superiors and one well-respected contributor is winning you any friends, nor a spot on any future committees. That is aside from the fact that this entire thread is out of place and should not have been posted in the first place. Start working like you are part of a team and not above it; it is ironic that you are suggesting kanaric as first citizen yet you yourself have refused to behave according to your role. Perhaps your lack of experience in team environments is the source of this confusion.
Furthermore, if you wish to argue about the role of Kanaric, then that is a discussion to be had with Hex. It is not an assumption for you to unilaterally make. Nor is it an excuse to step out of line when nothing except your personal and questionable opinions warrant it.
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this whole "feasibility of a paradox sister site" is something that is already being handled in other topics. We dont need a entirely new topic on something that is being discussed in 3 others, lol.
Continue the discussions on this already going on on Parados, its already progressing rather than starting a new one from scratch.
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