About the Region Limit

**LTShiftey** · May 23, 2007, 10:38 PM

How can you tell when you reach the limit? I just added the last three settlements to my map (total of 150 settlements, 1 sea color). But the campaign loads up to 100% and then i get an unspecified error and a ctd.

Can somebody tell me whats wrong? and also what do you experience when you hit the limit? Does the error log tell you you have too many settlements?

**Ralendil** · May 25, 2007, 12:04 AM

Originally Posted by LTShiftey

How can you tell when you reach the limit? I just added the last three settlements to my map (total of 150 settlements, 1 sea color). But the campaign loads up to 100% and then i get an unspecified error and a ctd.

Can somebody tell me whats wrong? and also what do you experience when you hit the limit? Does the error log tell you you have too many settlements?

when you hit the limit you get an unknown error.

On my map I have 195 regions, and can't add more...

however several people said that with the MTW2 vanilla map they had succeeded to add until 199 regions.

I would really love that someone show me that :p maybe they think they have 199 but they have 195... personnally it is what I think.
I really doubt that everybody has counted 1 by 1 their provinces (I did it cause I corrected all the names of my provinces)

But, to return on your topic, if you have only 150... the error is somewhere else.
Maybe you put a city on a mountain... just an exemple.

**wilddog** · May 25, 2007, 01:20 AM

I would really love that someone show me that :p maybe they think they have 199 but they have 195... personnally it is what I think.

Well I just use the paintshop pro count colours to tell me the numbers and look up the line number of the txt file to tell me how many regions I've got.

The limit is 199 + 1 sea colour. Reduce your sea colours to 1 colour (vanilla has a few different ones ) and you can then simply increase the number of land regions accordingly - don't do that and you will be stuck around the 195 land regions regions limit. Once you get to the 199+1 you get an immediate CTD - no kick to Menu. Downside is that possibly some fleets may get 'more' stuck if the different sea colours is used to help the ship ai movements.

If you are getiing the map.rwm rebuilt still and only a KTM then there could be anumebr of issues. Does your log say anything? Most likely errors are miss named items, missing or duplicate errors or have you amended something on the features map eg rivers and created a square?

**~~Miraj~~** · May 25, 2007, 01:29 AM

What the point of more sea colors?

**Ralendil** · May 25, 2007, 01:37 AM

Originally Posted by wilddog

The limit is 199 + 1 sea colour. Reduce your sea colours to 1 colour (vanilla has a few different ones ) and you can then simply increase the number of land regions accordingly - don't do that and you will be stuck around the 195 land regions regions limit.

thanks for the tip

muchas gracias

+rep for you

**wilddog** · May 25, 2007, 06:29 AM

What the point of more sea colors?

Probably not much. It depends if the AI has anything coded which may help its pathing particularly if seas aren't linked (Nikolai1962 I think mentioned that reducing the sea colours had some effect). Other than that they may have got introduced when CA were working out how to resolve the old sea size limit that was in RTW/BI.

**LTShiftey** · May 25, 2007, 07:55 AM

Well I fixed the problem. Apparently sometimes your settlements in map_regions don't line up with map_heights so you crash (happens a lot with ports), but I discovered a good solution around that using photoshop. I'm well on my way with my map of the world and its looking pretty good so far.

EDIT: In map_regions, you may place a settlement or port, but it may overlap water if it is on the coast in map_heights and crash to menu or desktop.

**The Reb** · May 25, 2007, 08:47 AM

can we see a screen?

**LTShiftey** · May 25, 2007, 10:39 AM

Right now there are no rivers, resources, or faction specific settlements. Every region is english controlled for testing purposes. Also, I haven't finished putting in all of the ports. I'll post a screen later today.

**wilddog** · May 25, 2007, 11:16 AM

Just taking map_heights and reducing using Phototshop's nearest neighbor option will create an accurate map_regions which you can use to place ports. At least I've never had an issue with that.

**alpaca** · May 25, 2007, 12:46 PM

By the way, a CA code lookup revealed that the region limit is indeed 200

**LTShiftey** · May 25, 2007, 01:13 PM

This one shows the whole map in the bottom left

This one shows a zoom in of Europe

I still have some coastline fixing to do and I have to add a lot more regions to some of the bigger countries still.

I was thinking, since each country will only be represented by one settlement, I would allow free upkeep for a full stack of defenders. So attacking a country would really take a strong force. Does this sound like a reasonable idea?

**alpaca** · May 25, 2007, 02:41 PM

If you don't play against the AI, yes. The AI will move their stacks about too often.

**Lusted** · May 25, 2007, 02:44 PM

Looks like an interesting map.

**The Reb** · May 25, 2007, 02:47 PM

Very nice.

**~~Miraj~~** · May 25, 2007, 03:10 PM

Wow. Kinda like Risk: Total War? Its looks pretty cool.

**LTShiftey** · May 25, 2007, 04:21 PM

The whole premise is a hotseat campaign in which the early turns are spent conquering weak AI targets in a blitzkrieg style rush for land. After all AI is conquered the players will focus on eachother with the occasional historic emergent factions attacking here and there. Along with the mongols and timurids I also have planned a Viking Invasion and also a Nazi Germany emergent faction around 1930-1940. Once I do more research I'll add some more emergent factions.