anybody actually use Templar Guards in campaign?

**napoleonic** · May 22, 2007, 04:28 PM

I found them too pricey, and combination of dismounted conquistadores, templars/hospitallers + noble spearmen/papal guards are pretty much owns all other infantries.

**Favre** · May 22, 2007, 05:54 PM

I used them early game...

**Zhou** · May 22, 2007, 11:59 PM

How did you manage to get them in early game as they are produced from the second-to-last barracks in a castle?!

Oh, and also...how did you afford them?!

**Eastern Red** · May 23, 2007, 12:55 AM

I don't recuit them since I can get them free from missions. Yeah! they're expensive to maintain and I usually spread them one to each castle and at the most two. By maintaining unit stacks to just 15 or 16 per settlement, my upkeep is not too strenuous in the long run.
Btw, they are excellent defenders if used against tiring enemies even aginst their elites. They are also great replacements for the earlier dismounted templar knights.

**napoleonic** · May 23, 2007, 01:44 AM

They are also great replacements for the earlier dismounted templar knights.

replacement, lol yeah, a superior 'replacement'; as I said before, a conquisstadores/hospitaller is much better price/performance ratio than those gold plated elites....

**Daergar** · May 23, 2007, 03:35 AM

Before I ditched my old vh/vh KT campaign, I had two armies with ten templar guards each, and more in the works, just because I could. Money was tight for a long time until you pass the hump (holding former Egypt, Seljuk and Byzantine lands) and it's all gravy, and utterly boring. But they sure look goldy and pretty.

**Eastern Red** · May 23, 2007, 05:02 AM

Originally Posted by napoleonic

replacement, lol yeah, a superior 'replacement'; as I said before, a conquisstadores/hospitaller is much better price/performance ratio than those gold plated elites....

What I've said was replacement for Templar Knights, not what you have suggested. And I clearly said for defending purposes at the last straw. The rest are up to you to digest if you really read carefully You are only laughing at your foolishness

. No offence! Your Mejesty. Afterall, you are entitled to your own opinions.

**napoleonic** · May 23, 2007, 05:13 AM

do you actually have any idea what's make templars better than hospitallers?

Code:

type             Dismounted Knights Templar
dictionary       Dismounted_Knights_Templar      ; Dismounted Knights Templar
category         infantry
class            heavy
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_infantry
banner unit      templars
soldier          Dismounted_Feudal_Knights, 48, 0, 1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         14, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1
;stat_pri_ex      0, 0, 0
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stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 0, 1
;stat_sec_ex      0, 0, 0
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;stat_armour_ex   7, 8, 0, 0, 7, 6, 6, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
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stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
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stat_cost        1, 780, 225, 90, 70, 780, 4, 150
armour_ug_levels 3, 4, 5
armour_ug_models Dismounted_Knights_Templar, Dismounted_Knights_Templar_ug1, Dismounted_Knights_Templar_ug2
ownership        knights_templar
;unit_info        14, 0, 21


type             Dismounted Knights Hospitaller
dictionary       Dismounted_Knights_Hospitaller      ; Dismounted Knights Hospitaller
category         infantry
class            heavy
voice_type       Heavy
banner faction   main_infantry
banner unit      hospitaller
soldier          Dismounted_Feudal_Knights, 48, 0, 1
attributes       sea_faring, hide_forest, very_hardy, can_withdraw, free_upkeep_unit
formation        1.2, 1.2, 2.4, 2.4, 3, square
stat_health      1, 0
stat_pri         14, 3, no, 0, 0, melee, melee_blade, piercing, sword, 0, 1
;stat_pri_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_pri_attr    no
stat_sec         0, 0, no, 0, 0, no, melee_simple, blunt, none, 0, 1
;stat_sec_ex      0, 0, 0
stat_sec_attr    no
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;stat_armour_ex   7, 8, 9, 0, 7, 6, 6, metal
stat_sec_armour  0, 0, flesh
stat_heat        5
stat_ground      1, -2, 3, 2
stat_mental      13, normal, highly_trained
stat_charge_dist 30
stat_fire_delay  0
stat_food        60, 300
stat_cost        1, 710, 225, 90, 70, 710, 4, 150
armour_ug_levels 3, 4, 5
armour_ug_models Dismounted_Knights_Hospitaller, Dismounted_Knights_Hospitaller_ug1, Dismounted_Knights_Hospitaller_ug2
ownership        england, scotland, france, denmark, milan, venice, papal_states, sicily, poland, hungary, knights_templar
;unit_info        14, 0, 21

see? templars are actually useless due to their higher recruitment unit, and there are much bigger chances you'll get hospitallers guilds than templars', with Order of Knights Templar you'll 99% got hospitallers. Heck even the mounted hospitallers are better than templars'.

templar = useless.

**Favre** · May 23, 2007, 09:37 AM

My bad, Thought you were talking about Templar Spearmen. I usually have 2-3 Units of Templar Guard in my army. But I have built up a really good economy...I dont even worry about money anymore. Put it this way, I've got full construction queues, 6 Elite Standing Armies, and never cheated once

**Mike13531** · May 23, 2007, 09:42 AM

when you say you can't recruit the guards? that's rediculous, your doing something wrong, your not managing your money well enough i guess, recruit 1 in like 2 turns? or stop building whatever your building. That's MTW right there. You can't have everything, you can only have one, either SUPERIOR economic or DOMINATE army. unless you cheat, or you can only develop one at a time

**BuchVecny** · May 25, 2007, 08:13 AM

well i make them just because ,,they are the best" I love to have all elite armies, alltho i know that 2 half elite armies would be better than 1 pure elite.