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  1. Re: Jakarta governor Ahok, an ethnic Chinese and a Christian, found guilty of blasphemy against Islam, sentenced to two years imprisonment in Indonesia

    instead going forward, they are going full circle now :hmm:
  2. Re: Jakarta governor Ahok, an ethnic Chinese and a Christian, found guilty of blasphemy against Islam, sentenced to two years imprisonment in Indonesia

    Beside the blasphemy law, the judge approving the use of Al-maidah 51 and see nothing wrong with preaching it, is more worrying. If anything the judge see it in positive light, teaching or reminding...
  3. Re: Jakarta governor Ahok, an ethnic Chinese and a Christian, found guilty of blasphemy against Islam, sentenced to two years imprisonment in Indonesia

    If you mean by public figures as artist, entertainer, etc. Then beside Ahmad Dani and several of his friends, still not many openly embrace FPI. If anything from the beginning more artist and...
  4. Re: Jakarta governor Ahok, an ethnic Chinese and a Christian, found guilty of blasphemy against Islam, sentenced to two years imprisonment in Indonesia

    But they always do that...... there's plenty of picture of public figure embrace and take photo with the hardliner before, not just recently.

    Btw have you watch the act of killing?
  5. Re: Jakarta governor Ahok, an ethnic Chinese and a Christian, found guilty of blasphemy against Islam, sentenced to two years imprisonment in Indonesia

    Just curious, are you living outside of Indonesia for long? or do you old enough to remember the Suharto era? AFAIK The anti Chinese feeling is always there, never disappears. It's just not as...
  6. Re: Jakarta governor Ahok, an ethnic Chinese and a Christian, found guilty of blasphemy against Islam, sentenced to two years imprisonment in Indonesia

    The speech itself is quite long, but the most important part is here.

    Basically the Surah al-Maidah, Verse 51, prohibit Indonesia Muslim to take Christian and Jew as a friend, vote as leader,...
  7. Re: Jakarta governor Ahok, an ethnic Chinese and a Christian, found guilty of blasphemy against Islam, sentenced to two years imprisonment in Indonesia

    It's not only recently Indonesia become more conservative. The trend can be seen since 2005-2008. It's easier to see in airports outside Jakarta, more woman started using headscarf. Today, almost...
  8. Re: Jakarta governor Ahok, an ethnic Chinese and a Christian, found guilty of blasphemy against Islam, sentenced to two years imprisonment in Indonesia

    2 years and ordered to jail immediately (automatically removed him from governor position), already heavy. Considering the prosecutor themselves only ask for 1 year + 2 year probation (aka no jail...
  9. Re: "A senior leader of India's ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) has said that Muslims living in the country should give up consuming beef."

    Nice try, but that's not the modus operandi of the other group. Officially they rarely ban other people, but usually they used that as justification to do something directly.

    Beside if we can take...
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    Re: Chinese Malaysians: The "non- person" of Asia!

    trash talking and blind patriotism is just a game for those who live in the safety of western nation. for someone who live in pogrom prone country, fact and reality is much more important. i would be...
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    Re: Chinese Malaysians: The "non- person" of Asia!

    Never questioning Chinese sense of empathy. It just sometime realpolitik get in a way, especially when there's no money to be made.

    This is just personal anecdote, but it color my view about how...
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    Re: Chinese Malaysians: The "non- person" of Asia!

    Simple but effective. It's appeal to minority pride so the minority itself will help to spread the myth using their own mouth.....



    How about non English speaking and non EU developed country...
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    Re: Chinese Malaysians: The "non- person" of Asia!

    Simply just being ethnic Chinese have no value in China government eyes for applying visa, PR or immigrating back to China. India also don't have dual citizenship but they have Overseas Citizenship...
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    Re: Chinese Malaysians: The "non- person" of Asia!

    When ethnic Chinese still not worth anything in the eyes of China Government for immigration or even a temporary PR/visa, doubtful China will do anything that can jeopardize their economic ties with...
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    Re: Chinese Malaysians: The "non- person" of Asia!

    Don't be so proud or quick to spread that myth. If anything, please spread the truth, too many Indonesian Chinese believe that myth and use it for defense/baiting against the rest. Spreading the myth...
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    Re: Chinese Malaysians: The "non- person" of Asia!

    4 Wife, free money, cheap credit, job, subsidy housing and 72 virgin for afterlife. Sound like a good deal :surprise:
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    Re: Chinese Malaysians: The "non- person" of Asia!

    Chinese usually have different skin tones and eye shape..... beside it's clearly written in their ID card that they are not just WNI (citizen) but WNI keturunan (citizen offspring)

    Obviously, if...
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    Re: Chinese Malaysians: The "non- person" of Asia!

    Back then, it doesn't matter what your religion is, as long as you have Chinese blood/parent, you face the same problem. Only recently religion is getting important in Indonesia, usually it's more...
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    Re: Chinese Malaysians: The "non- person" of Asia!

    Replace Malayans with Indo and the answer is yes, it was for all of that. With additional detail
    1. sudden ban from buying land and working as trader outside big cities, basically forcing them to...
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    Re: Chinese Malaysians: The "non- person" of Asia!

    The grass is greener on the other side. Ahok just coincidence, he is a vice mayor who happens to be lucky to replace his boss/Jokowi position as mayor, because Jokowi left his post to become...
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    Re: The European Refugee Crisis

    Man/woman in need will be grateful, accepting any real help, but if your preference is to help those who are demanding and good at pretending, more power to you :thumbsup2
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    Re: The European Refugee Crisis

    Sometimes it's easy to spot the difference between both from their attitude and what they ask. According to what i read from local news, in Indonesia, the Rohingya, accept whatever food that they can...
  23. Re: Discussion on Greek political, financial issues + bailout deal

    Apparently Greece like austerity better than their sovereignty, even debt cut is not enough to get them out from EU.
    ...
  24. Thread: "China big big"

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    Re: "China big big"

    For me, the most interesting part in this dispute is Philliphine. I like reading their defense forum, apparently most of them already forgot their country flip flopping attitude in the past compare...
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    Re: Australian politics.

    Using strawman? I think i already give my reason, if you are not satisfied with my answer, that's a different matter.

    If you want to put it that way, it's up to you. But until now i don't know...
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    Re: Australian politics.

    Society, government, religion, law, norm, empathy, etc take your choice. If you want to think you deserve no better right than animal go ahead, but why forcing your belief on other people?


    Ask...
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    Re: Australian politics.

    The way it's done. They could simply warn the Indonesian Government first or work with Indonesia Government. Also remember, albeit Indonesia has lax oversight, but cruelty to animal is also not ok in...
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    Re: Australian politics.

    Good one, just ignore their traditional right and occupy it. It simplified thing :thumbsup2



    My point is, both Japan and Australia are developed world in Asia that have signed the UN refugee...
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    Re: Australian politics.

    Apparently you unaware of Australia policy against the Aborigines. They are criminal who acts like they are the owner of the stolen property. I find the posturing, playing as a rich person in stolen...
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    Re: Australian politics.

    Talk about victim complex from a first world country... Dominate SEA? Why not dominate the world while you are imagining Indonesia does something 'sinister'?

    The previous president with his Zero...
  31. Re: The only developed nation that still considers paid vacations a perk.

    Another thing that most people forget/ignore, unless they are already experiencing both of the world. A business owner, especially when still small/ just starting their business, seldom can have the...
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    Re: Should wealth be capped?

    How successful Thai capital control? From what i read, it's more like desperate measure for special case than norm?
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    Re: Police intervene as migrants clash in Calais.

    They still come to Indonesia, but only half of them reach Australia, that's mean more and more of them in the Indonesia detention center now. Unrelated or not, recently there's more news about Middle...
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    Re: Police intervene as migrants clash in Calais.

    How? Indonesia is developing country with myriad problems. Obviously they will care more about more pressing domestic business. They don't even have enough ships to stop the more numerous and bigger...
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    Re: Police intervene as migrants clash in Calais.

    Wrong example, Indonesia also the victim of Australia refugee policy, the refuge itself usually from Middle East/South Asia. If you want to do the same thing with Australia, it's like France sending...
  36. Re: Is it morally right to sack former jihadists (who have a double nationality) of their passport?

    If the Muslim is actively fighting for one side on the battlefield, can he be persecuted, for murder, manslaughter or something? Does the state need some testimony or witness that he kills the...
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    Re: Australian politics.

    :doh:

    Before the beef embargo and the boat people, Indonesian and the government either indifference or have quite favorable view of Australia. Imo Australia looks like a child who always poking...
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    Re: Hong Kong and Bad, Bad PRC

    Seriously? :thumbsdow
    What i have in mind is mainland Chinese can be consider simply as domestic tourist now in HK case.



    I thought because of the HK leader quick action, HK escapes from the...
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    Re: Hong Kong and Bad, Bad PRC

    But economic wise, the good old days really better for HK right? HK used to be a rival city state for Singapore, now Singapore is clearly ahead of HK even in tourism (excluding mainland tourist...
  40. Re: Australians Seek to Build Memorial for "Comfort Women", Many Japanese Respond 'OH HELL NO'.

    This part is not speculation, trying to downplay the original investigation.


    and reuters?
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/14/us-japan-korea-idUSBREA2D04R20140314


    IF they really...
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