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    Re: Tolkien General Discussion II

    Sorry folks, I should have posted a smiley, that bit was a sort of joke :). I do challenge his logic there: the whole genocide of the Numenoreans is just an appalling concept. Honestly I think my own...
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    Whoah whoah.. what about the Easterlings and all the Men who fought for Morgoth in the War of Wrath? I guess "untermenschen" don't really count in that regard??
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    Aha! The continent is Aman, Valinor is only central Aman! A lore error by Ngugi! Stop the presses :D

    JRR explicitly states the Valar faced "real peril", whether or not they would have "killed"...
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    If I recall, all that Tolkien says re the original war is that the Valar where hard-pressed, and then Tulkas arrived, and then they won. From the duel at Utumno I figured he alone was able to beat...
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    Now, see, that's in (apparent) contradiction with the Silmarillion, where, in the siege of Utumno, Tulkas wrestles with Melkor "as the champion of the Valar", and throws him on his face. And this is...
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    Re: Tolkien General Discussion II

    Yup. Morgoth is the "most powerful" of the Valar (at least at start), but he gets knocked about by Tulkas. I always kind of imagine Tulkas just holding Melkor by the collar and slapping him across...
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