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  1. Re: NATO seek de-escalation over Turkish shoot down of the Russian jet.

    If by "put an end to that" you mean RuAF starting to attack Turkish convoys on sight and intensifying bombardment of turkomen rebels, then yea sure good point.
  2. Re: NATO seek de-escalation over Turkish shoot down of the Russian jet.

    If somebody says 2+2=0 and the other says 2+2=4, you don't agree on a compromise where 2+2=2.
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    Interesting how you choose to focus on "Iran, Russia and China" considering that Russian (and probably Iranian) ammo are not bought on the black market, but either captured from Syrian Defence forces...
  4. Re: NATO seek de-escalation over Turkish shoot down of the Russian jet.

    lol you guys crack me up. A turkey is translated as "indeijka" in Russian.
  5. Re: NATO seek de-escalation over Turkish shoot down of the Russian jet.

    Reality Check 1: How "pro" the map looks is irrelevant with regards to it being reliable or not.

    Reality Check 2: If the Turkish map's data points have enough uncertainty in them to suggest the...
  6. Re: NATO seek de-escalation over Turkish shoot down of the Russian jet.

    The fact that the Turks shot down the Su-24 without even making a RADAR lock-on (and hence warning it) says enough. Covertly supporting rebels and terrorists, and attacking Syrian soldiers is one...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    It seems like the only logical course of action is to get a ceasefire going between Assad and the moderate rebels (if they exist).

    Wasn't there talk of such a thing where Assad would step down...
  8. Re: NATO seek de-escalation over Turkish shoot down of the Russian jet.

    OK you're right, I found the wrong ROT because I just used ctrl+F, but with a ROT in the region of 15-16 deg/sec (Around Mig-23/Su25) it'd make the turn within 6 seconds. Anyway, you're completely...
  9. Re: NATO seek de-escalation over Turkish shoot down of the Russian jet.

    Sustained turn rate is the turn rate that can be sustained indefinitely. Instantaneous turn rate can be sustained short-term, i.e. for a few seconds in an emergency. After a quick google search,...
  10. Re: NATO seek de-escalation over Turkish shoot down of the Russian jet.

    Nah. Simple newtonian mechanics is inappropriate in this case and it makes me wonder if these guys really are physicists at all.

    (1) They are assuming that the aircraft took 30s to hit the...
  11. Re: NATO seek de-escalation over Turkish shoot down of the Russian jet.

    Don't worry, I'll leave the role of propagating propaganda to you. The TV team thing is just an interesting coincidence, I never said it was conclusive.

    And LOL GUARD frequency? The radio...
  12. Re: NATO seek de-escalation over Turkish shoot down of the Russian jet.

    Well said, I agree.

    Concerning the escalation, several things are pointing towards this:
    1) The fact that a TV team was operating at just the right time and place where the plane crashed does...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    Please let's stop being touchy and pretending like the Russians are bullies who on regular basis violate NATO air space; There's a difference between flying close to it and flying into it. Besides,...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    lol dream on.

    Why wouldn't they be? All they need to do is to ID them and then murder them while they are off duty. You should be angry at the idiots behind this, not defending their decision.
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    Also, apparently a professional Turkish TV team was present exactly where the plane was shot down. How's that for an interesting coincidence?
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    To think that this shoot-down was justified in any sort of way is ridiculous, as the aircraft clearly posed no threat to Turkey. The correct way to act would be to use the RUAF-NATO line of...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    And shouted allah akbar uncontrollably after they recovered the bodies. Aha. So these are the "moderate" rebels NATO propaganda has been talking about?
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    Yeah, let's let the islamists topple Assad and turn Syria into an anarchy. That's smart, I'm sure the terrorists will be content then and lay down their arms.

    PS: Russia is bombing ISIS. Allot.
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    Which means you're using retarded logic. I mean, I guess you also would support the police if they opened fire on angry homeless people, or a a guy shooting and murdering someone who trespassed on...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    Yet again, considering how absolutely miniscule this alleged violation is, it's plainly retarded to think the Russian air force did anything that would warrant a shoot down.

    The main mistake the...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    It would reconstruct the flight path of the airplane, and hence determine where it did or did not fly.
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    Did you forget to read the part "{which is absolutely not a difficult thing to do for any air force, hence not stupid}" ? Extremely minor violations like this can easily happen to anyone, if it...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    Are we talking about the Turkish excuse presented as a radar track, and the (single) transgression in October?

    As I said, there is no proof. Why don't you go and cry a bit more about how the...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    Let's keep in mind there is no proof that the plane even entered Turkish air space.



    I'm sorry, but your entire argument seems to be "Russian jet barely strayed into Turkish airspace {which is...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    The direct quote is "the airplane {allegedly} received 10 warnings within 5 minutes". Why would the Su-24 violate the border 10 times ??? These are aircraft, not helicopters doing attack runs. As far...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    Obviously this shoot down was not done intentionally by Erdogan. Now Turkey risks losing a HUGE amount of trade and tourism with Russia, they face the risk of retaliation and in addition the Turkish...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    That southernmost tip of Turkish land is 2km x 2km large, and no way would a Su-24 spend "5 minutes", as the Turkish AF claims, crossing a 2km stretch of land. Just wait until the flight ballistics...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    I knew the Turkish military was incompetent, but I had no idea the leadership is this freaking stupid
  29. Re: Sweden loses control on narrative on immigration, calls NATO for help, blames Russia.

    Yup Adar, the Kremlin is the reason for Swedish neo-nazis. Brilliant as always.
  30. Re: Russia blow up 12 hospitals in Syria, but Doctors without borders does not call it a war crime

    What makes you so sure the hospitals/ambulances were hit by Russian planes and not shells or some other nation's aircraft? Twitter-rumors propagated by SOHR? Besides, the country is in a state of...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    So even if we assume all your "Assad isn't a good guy" white & black narrative is true, what's your solution? An FSA military victory? First of all that's not going to happen with or without CIA...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    You're right, but what I mean is it takes allot of work to find this stuff from the social media labyrinth and then compile it into one, organized report. In fact, consultants get paid $200/hour for...
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    Re: ISIL War in Iraq and Syria

    This guy is helping ISIS by publicizing their defenses..
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    Re: Russian & Eastern Europe Geopolitics thread

    And all of this ridiculous tirade is based on the premise that Finnish sources = truth, which is obviously a hilarious one. I mean, the winter war has a cult following among butthurt Finnish...
  35. Re: Swedish Divers: Capsized Russian Mini-Submarine in Swedish Waters

    haha gotta love these Swedish u-boat conspiracy theories. Face it, that boat has lied there for 100 years.
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    Re: Ukraine and Russia Developments, Thread 3

    Honestly it`s very sad what`s happening in Ukraine right now. The economy is collapsing under the weight of war, spectacularly bad governance, decreasing trade with Russia & sudden loss of...
  37. Re: Discussion on Greek political, financial issues + Referendum

    So is this new deal better than the pre-referendum one?
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    Re: Ukraine and Russia Developments, Thread 3

    And if you're smart you do that with Finnish sources too. At any rate, it tells the story of a Russian soldier who is prosecuted for desertion because he refused to fight in Ukraine.
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    Re: Ukraine and Russia Developments, Thread 3

    Guys, Basil's argument really isn't too difficult to understand. The uniform thing illustrates just how screwed up the Kiev government's priorities are. They prefer spending money on American-style...
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    Re: The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt

    I wouldn't say Triss is all that good either. She did exploit Geralt's amnesia after all.

    And didn't Yennefer risk her life trying to save Geralt in Rivia?
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