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No, you're right. They're not meant to attack people. They're just meant to be killed like good boys so that some dudes on teh internetz can live out their adolescent fantasy about WW3. I've read...

And again - what would give the US justification to put 5000 marines in Ukraine?

Tone in this thread is becoming pretty surreal, it's got to be said.

Kiev... lol.



Why would US put soldiers in Ukraine? What mandate would give them that option?

Any info on protests in Kiev that demand Poroshenko's resignation over the ATO fiasco? I only have RT as source:

http://rt.com/news/183396-kiev-poroshenko-military-protest/

I read somewhere that Greek volunteers are also present in E Ukraine.

Apocalypse Now in a nutshell.

Link?

EDIT: And anyway, any news on the MH17? Everybody has gone offline on this. Pretty weird, huh...

Lawl, not so much at this:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-14/putin-punks-west-again-guardian-reports-russian-troops-enter-ukraine

...but at this:
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Mate, I am watching this from a hotel room in East Midlands and I am just bursting full of incredulity.

I mean, check this:
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OMG, is Kiev on Russia's payroll? I mean, they are doing everything to screw EU over and make things super cosy for dem Russkies:
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Yup. Anything goes with them lucky charms.

@ I WUB PUGS - you view Russia as important? EU is having :wub:ing kittens atm, Europe is no-soaping it up the wrong un and Bunds have been below 1% for a couple of days now. It's a goddamn disaster....

Any news on what happened to MH17? How's the investigation going?

Yet, in this case, the easiest way to demonstrate this point would be to answer the question. Especially that the question is valid and answers would only help the investigation.

Indeed. But the piece I linked was asking a question, rather than trying to ram their own answer down my throat mate.

Not sure if this has been mentioned before mate, but Ukrainian press can safely be considered a biased source, I'm surprised you still bother to base your posts on what "they say".

Lol, I know. There's much to be said about "taking it like a man", though. Surely?

Russia's ATA issued a request:

http://rt.com/politics/official-word/175584-russia-agency-questions-mh17/

It has remained unanswered.

Black boxes will record what happens in the cabin,...

If this stands, I cannot wait for the chants in their CL games. Personally, I think "dick move" don't even begin to sum this one up. 6-1 agg... Jesus, what a drubbing.

There is defo a tendency to "meet half-way", i.e. accept a frame of reference that is considered non-offensive or wacky, it's a way of avoiding being labelled a tin-foil hatter. Peer pressure...

My German is meh so I don't really go to those (i.e. Spiegel/Stern), but Guardian reader comments show pretty clearly that majority of readers see through this idiocy clear as day. Shame about the...

You don't seem to understand; it is us, that is Europeans, that stand to lose the most by far. By supporting this :wub:ing farce you are placing a noose around your own neck.

Some stern words form Gabor Steingart, in today's Handelsblatt:



http://www.handelsblatt.com/meinung/kommentare/essay-in-englisch-the-west-on-the-wrong-path/10308406.html

Points which I...

I wish we had the transcript of the exchange between the pilot and the ATC controller. Kiev has locked the ATC tapes away and sat on them for weeks now...

Just as USA did with the Saudis. Right? Right...?



Funny how you reckon it only reflects bad on Russia.

Lol, Kiev "has no choice":

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http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-08-08/ukraine-prepares-impose-russian-gas-transit-ban-commit-economic-suicide

:wub:ing morons. No wonder people in...

Please elaborate on what those good manners constitute. What you have submitted so far equates to teaching them who's boss. Is that what good manners are about? Being a good little boy?


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Yeah, you know what I meant - you will witness increasing ambivalence towards sexual orientation in Ireland, just like you do in other parts of Western Europe (and in parts of Central and Eastern...

OK, so it is not really about any norms, it's just about making sure they know who's boss? As in the west can play bully because it can afford it?



This is how a comic book would perhaps frame...

Fair enough, I suppose. I also think that Putin may be seen as a token for all the intolerance and injustice towards LGBT people around the world.

However, I feel LGBT rights is a separate issue...

You mean those same norms we don't really give a toss about? Why should Putin? Why would Medvedev?



We're going to need some evidence for that. For now it's just a rumour.



How does...

No. I am generally interested. Lots of posters put forward this argument but only because they have already established a frame of reference (i.w. "Putin is bad"). I want to know why the frame of...

Why is that? What exactly is the problem with Putin from where you are?



Radical. Again, why is that? What if Russian people do not want that?



What do you mean by "reasonable"?

Yup - "no matter what happens, it's fine as long as Russians get shafted. Russians need to get shafted". This seems to be the only thing you care about in all this, which is why none of your opinions...

Meh, I'd rather wait until we hear more. For the time being we cannot tell what exactly went on, there is no evidence to confirm it. So, really, all that has been said so far is just an opinion.

So the plane went down over Eastern Ukraine. Next door to Russia. I'm pretty confident Russia has a decent view of goings on in that area. It would be interesting to know what they've got.

Aikanar! Sorelus was only joking! Gah...

Anyhoo, some posters defend their positions to the hilt when those positions are based on totally unproven information; even blatant fabrication and...

Seems like Ukrainians can't get even their own story right:



http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/23/mh17-day-of-mourning-in-netherlands-as-bodies-arrive-live-updates

I think we could...

So quick ;) On the flipside - you can't be too wary of the danger of names. I can't even watch Dog Whisperer without getting all worked up about Alesia...