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  1. Re: Political Correctness next victim: Comedy. Towards a Orwellian nightmare?

    Explain to me Himster why they shouldn't?

    You understand the basis of population dynamics. You're asserting that there's inherent inferiority. This is something which might make sense with gender...
  2. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    <can't wait until Phier realizes who has held the majority position in the US for more than 200 years>
  3. Re: Political Correctness next victim: Comedy. Towards a Orwellian nightmare?

    The assertion that spaces which are public should not resemble the demographics of the public they're supposed to represent is silly. When you have naught but white males shown you do create the...
  4. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    Fraud is listed in section 18.



    It's probably not a great idea to use an explanation of systems to people because criminal (legalistic) and criminal (public understanding) are subtley different...
  5. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    Wait, you still think politicians and businessmen are different?

    :laughter:

    Not in this country.
  6. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    In Oregon, traffic violations lead to fines, fines are to be paid immediately at the court and failure to pay the fine can lead to jail time in lieu of the fine. Repeat violations in most states can...
  7. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    I misread part of the section and made a statement I wasn't willing to stand by. I edited it when I noticed it. The penalties described in ALL sections outside of title 18 are civil penalties....
  8. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    A simple way to skip over this debate:

    https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18

    All these are crimes, any other violation (which far outnumber these) are not criminal and thus not illegal....
  9. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    No I didn't. There cannot be a criminal conviction for this. In order for a criminal conviction to be filed it would be required that further violations to occur. For example, if you illegally enter...
  10. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    Correct. What part of this are you having difficulty with?



    Yes, that's a fairly good summary of the law. They're using a spurious definition of illegal entry when it's actually improper entry...
  11. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    That law doesn't say anything. Here's the law you're looking for:

    https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/SLB/HTML/SLB/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-29/0-0-0-5684.html

    As to talking head. Criminal literally means...
  12. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    No it isn't. Hence why the majority of known illegal immigrants can't be deported. Durr.



    Legality is a specific term with a specific definition. Stop confusing your terminology.



    Nope,...
  13. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    Creating a politically acceptable solution means catering to stupidity and ignorance. Instead we should deal with the stupidity and ignorance which is rife within US conservative ideology.

    Here's...
  14. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    So the simple solution is to document them?

    :thumbsup2

    Also, again, non-indictable offense means the only way to deport them is if they cause crime, hence why we see a lower crime rate within...
  15. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    We know that 600,000 people become illegal each year currently due to their legality lapsing, we know ICE deports about 250,000 of them, we also know we have about 500,000 or so each year immigrants...
  16. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    First off it's not illegal to be undocumented, it's not a crime, it's a civil violation. Secondly, visa overstay, refugee denial, tourism overstay etc. Slightly more than half of all illegal...
  17. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    You realize the largest military bases in the world are on our southern border right? You also realize you can walk over our northern one without the slightest concern?

    The majority of...
  18. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    Because the 3500 lawsuits involving Trump, 100 of which he settled, 169 which he defrauded the government. He's tied to atleast 3 families of known criminals and has helped them launder money through...
  19. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    Whose definition are you using?

    Legal Definition:

    Websters: "a belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent...
  20. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    Who believes this? Also not sexism or racism but nice try.
  21. Poll: Re: US Presidential Election 2016: Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump

    http://replygif.net/i/531.gif
  22. Re: Civil war-The Causes of Southern Secession [twc01 VS Elfdude]

    Given your definitions or lack there of, I feel this debate has concluded. If you fulfill my request I'd be happy to continue but until then it appears that this debate has entirely run its course...
  23. Re: Civil war-The Causes of Southern Secession [twc01 VS Elfdude]

    Ok, so we're going to be super rigorous here and I'm sorry but given the vastly different perspectives and critereon we're using for this debate to move anywhere we must do so.

    State sovreignty is...
  24. Re: Civil war-The Causes of Southern Secession [twc01 VS Elfdude]

    I posted links to North Carolina's documents. North Carolina is one of the most explicitly slave states. Kentucky never seceded and is irrelevant.

    All I asked for is what definition you're using...
  25. Re: Civil war-The Causes of Southern Secession [twc01 VS Elfdude]

    This is false, all 11 referenced slavery.



    No I haven't. I cited and linked them directly. You've ignored them.

    Good job. You've now proven fully that you're not only ignoring me, you're...
  26. Re: Civil war-The Causes of Southern Secession [twc01 VS Elfdude]

    So totally posted direct citations to the fact all of them call out slavery. Your subjective qualifier of what makes the reason the primary or not is obviously flawed. Explain your metric and by how...
  27. Re: Civil war-The Causes of Southern Secession [twc01 VS Elfdude]

    :laughter:

    And you are the arbiter of when it overstepped its constitutional bounds. As someone who spent years studying law your assertion is more than a little hilarious. The movement to the...
  28. Re: Civil war-The Causes of Southern Secession [twc01 VS Elfdude]

    Calling your argument racist is not calling you names. There's a key difference. It's funny that you seem to be arguing for nuance in perception of the cause of the civil war but can't seem to apply...
  29. Re: The 2016 presidential race (former: The race to the 2016 presidential race)

    @Mayer

    Hillary hesitates to endorse directly TPP although methinsk she will, the republican platform endorsed all trade deals and considers them fundamental to capitalism. This is largely after...
  30. Re: The 2016 presidential race (former: The race to the 2016 presidential race)

    So you're saying that Trump would've won had he embraced the Democratic platform? Yeah, probably. Unfortunately he proved he's the fundamentalist republican type who has more incommon with teabaggers...
  31. Re: The 2016 presidential race (former: The race to the 2016 presidential race)

    Given I still think she should be prosecuted for her stupidity which I can't believe is genuinely that stupid. Using intent or casting doubt on intent is a very useful strategy when it comes to law...
  32. Re: The 2016 presidential race (former: The race to the 2016 presidential race)

    You support a rapist who's claim to fame is robbing hundreds of thousands of poor people of their livelihoods and then turning to the government to bail out his failed projects.

    Forgive me for...
  33. Re: The 2016 presidential race (former: The race to the 2016 presidential race)

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CngMYxbUAAA2gdA.jpg

    As a reference, I do not support Trump and never will. Despite the issues in the DNC there's simply no comparison to that which is Trump. That...
  34. Re: The 2016 presidential race (former: The race to the 2016 presidential race)

    Did you bother to even check out what evidence this is based on? Most of this is either under lawsuit or has already resolved with federal government determining YES there was fraud. Tying to Hillary...
  35. Re: The 2016 presidential race (former: The race to the 2016 presidential race)

    What's really disappointing to me is because the republicans are fielding such a terrible candidate, should Hillary win, they will take her level of victory as a mandate that the Dem Establishment is...
  36. Re: Civil war-The Causes of Southern Secession [twc01 VS Elfdude] Commentary Thread

    I find that article rather ambiguous. I do agree it's attacking fire-spitters but the words under lincoln when at a time abolitionist element was associated with Lincoln makes understanding it a bit...
  37. Re: The 2016 presidential race (former: The race to the 2016 presidential race)

    Woah woah woah.

    As a representative rich white male, I cannot condone you spreading word that minorities and middle class control America. While it certainly suits me to be the victim it's...
  38. Re: Civil war-The Causes of Southern Secession [twc01 VS Elfdude] Commentary Thread

    I don't think the common man voted for the secession. The vote counts are too wild for that reality to be true, maybe in a few states but it seems clear both from the votes and the prior media...
  39. Re: The 2016 presidential race (former: The race to the 2016 presidential race)

    Just so everyone realizes how stupid trump is as a candidate:

    http://politicalmaps.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/2012-electoral-map-prediction-by-politicalmaps.org_.png

    Yeah, that was Romney's...
  40. Re: The 2016 presidential race (former: The race to the 2016 presidential race)

    The most hilarious part is where whites control 73% of the population more than 80% of the legislature and more than 80% of the wealth in this country.
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