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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    It. Was. Still. Profitable. 100. Years. After. The. Industrial. Revolution.

    What don't you understand about this? Do you even know anything about Wilberforce, Wedgwood and the other abolitionists?...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    Which is a stupid thing to do, considering the realities on the ground, thousands of miles away from the home country, in an age without electronic communication, could be very different to the legal...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    Britain =/= her colonies.
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    Ugh, that's not even the point. You're claiming that Britain abolished slavery only when it didn't become financially worth it, despite the fact Britain hadn't had any slaves in it for about 600...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    Ignoring the fact that Britain hadn't had any slaves living in it for around 600 years previously, but ok...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    It's probably called "Empire: How Britain Made the Modern World". It's on my bookshelf next to me, and if I didn't think Heathen Hammer would just ignore everything I've posted again, I would dig out...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    Oh for god's sake. You've just ignored everything we've been arguing about and reverted to your position as though it never happened. Do you really want to go round again?

    The slave trade was...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    I think you're choosing not to see it. Clearly Napoleon saw Britain's economic power would outlast his military power and the tenuous system of alliances and satellite states he set up. You do...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    Which world powers were those? Russia certainly couldn't project its power much beyond its borders except towards Europe. Prussia and Austria were very much regional powers, too. And Britain didn't...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    If the slave trade was abandoned purely for economic reasons in 1807, why did Napoleon reinstate it in 1802 after it had been abolished previously by Revolutionary France? If it wasn't worth keeping,...
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage legal in all 50 US states!

    So every gay man wants to be promiscuous and doesn't give a damn about settling down and getting married? Best tell that to the thousands who turned out in this particular march:...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    As long as they're not flying over government buildings, I don't see the problem.

    At least it will make it easy to identify the sort of people to avoid, anyway.
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage legal in all 50 US states!

    So them wanting equality in the eyes of the law is a "phony issue"? The Constitution guarantees equality for all people, Raubritter. Why are you arguing that they shouldn't be considered people?
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage legal in all 50 US states!

    You clearly don't believe that homosexuals are people, if you're annoyed they feel they're entitled to the same thing other people have.
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage legal in all 50 US states!

    So you don't think that homosexuals are people, then?

    It's ok. Just lay your bigotry on the table and we can stop dancing around the issue with words like "entitlement" and "progressive".
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    Good goalpost changing. You said the UK, not the British Empire. The Thirteen Colonies weren't even considered as any form of "empire" at the time period. You also said that the UK only abandoned...
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage legal in all 50 US states!

    You're arguing against a problem that only exists in your head. Got any sources that show that same-sex couples gain preferential treatment when being considered as foster parents? Because I've got a...
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    Re: Same Sex Marriage legal in all 50 US states!

    Because all same-sex marriage is between two men.
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    Re: Islamist Terror Attack in France

    Why does every Muslim have to come out and condemn every attack that has taken place by Muslims? They have said time and time again in the past that they don't recognise the actions of these people...
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    Re: Islamist Terror Attack in France

    So Sweden and Switzerland didn't exist. Alright, keep peddling your overly simplified narrative of the conflict.



    That's good backpeddling there. In your opening post you said:
    "It is really...
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    Re: Islamist Terror Attack in France

    Sweden? Switzerland? I feel like I'm delivering a geography lesson.
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    Re: Islamist Terror Attack in France

    So because the current strategies aren't as effective as they should be, we need to start deporting people based on their faith alone?
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    The Second World War wasn't about ridding Europe...

    The Second World War wasn't about ridding Europe of undemocratic elements. If it was, why wasn't Nationalist Spain attacked by the Allies? The Second World War was about removing an aggressively...
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    Re: Islamist Terror Attack in France

    Yes, that's a good way to deal with terrorism: abandon European democratic rights like freedom of religion and move ourselves closer to the very people we're trying to combat.
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    Bachmann is a woman.

    I think that "founding father" is commonly understood in the US to be those signatories to the Declaration of Independence along with George Washington.
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    Those are some nice buzzwords, Simon.
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    Actually it literally was because of that. Are you suggesting that the UK had slavery up until Newcomen invented his engine in 1712?
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    You're struggling with the term "explicitly".

    It's not exactly miraculous that a country's constitution would seek to protect the private property of its citizens, but when that protection is...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    My point was not whether slavery existed at the time the Union flag was being used; that would be a futile point to make, as every flag on earth has been in use during some sort of atrocity...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    You've just made a series of points that have no connection to my argument whatsoever; your argument is hopping all over the place and becoming less coherent as it does so. You said that the...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    Funny how the Declaration of Independence makes no reference to property rights or slavery, whilst some of the Confederate States' declarations of secession do, isn't it? So why is it that the Union...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    The Thirteen Colonies didn't unite in insurrection against Great Britain because they thought George III was going to take away their right to own slaves. It wasn't a prime mover in the same way it...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    This isn't a valid analogy. As has been pointed out to you several times, the several states only joined the CSA to fight to be able to continue to keep slaves, thus the whole political entity itself...
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    Re: Take down the #ConfederateFlag at the SC Capitol.

    The good old days, eh Hanny?
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    Poll: Re: UK 2015 General Election (not too early I hope?...)

    It's true that every time an issue comes up, he has linked it back to Europe or immigration. UKIP really hasn't moved very far away from being a single issue party.
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    For a deal to be brokered, both sides have to agree to it and they can easily reject the overtures from the broker, so it's not "meddling" at all.
  37. Re: Execution in Arizona taking 2 hours + bans on exports used in executions by EU

    I don't think the compensation should be only about loss of earnings, which $1,000,000 would probably equate to over a 39 year period, but also compensation for the mental anguish suffered.
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    Your "source" is the political equivalent of Yahoo answers and even then, not everyone agrees with you. Did you read beyond the first answer? The president fled and refused to exercise his executive...
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    So, Heathen Hammer, when did any troops from any Western nation set foot on Ukrainian soil to effect the "coup" you're talking about, or help "put down" pro-Russian opposition?
  40. Re: Execution in Arizona taking 2 hours + bans on exports used in executions by EU

    That's not evolution: he's had almost his entire working life deliberately taken away from him. If the state has made it so that he cannot find employment for the rest of his life, then the state...
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