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Rhunic Tribes?
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The Easterling Nomads?
Rhunic Tribes?
I like this one. Quite simple and it has a nice ring to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Revelo
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Originally Posted by The Mouth
Much obliged. :)
totally this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blatta Optima Maxima
Well, I see you cannot make any choice so maybe my 'fresh blood' will be helpful...
Coz all happens after the time described by Tolkien I think own invention with the simple term will not be nothing bad and could even give 'the reality spirit' to the fraction. So let's give my example and explain the reasons:
Khundom of the Bloody Axe / Khundom of the Bloody Axes
- instead of chiefdom which refers to many tribes populating the land we could have something like this: created from the term 'khun'; such khun could be the greatest of chiefs/leaders or even new special title for newly united people of Rhun
- but you need to express also that there is no 'fair union' and there is the tribe dominating the rest: so here we have the Bloody Axe; it could means whatever you want most but I give you my examples:
* the Bloody Axe as the main figure who dominated whole Rhun under his command (from axe-men tribe = new Easterlings mentioned in RotK); he could be the present family member or just leader from the past who has established 'stability' in Rhun which gave 'hordish' population power to create strong land with bigger settlements than ever
* Bloody Axe (or here maybe better Bloody Axes) as the name of tribe which dominated Rhun
* the first star + one more detail: that in present time Bloody Axe is known more as a mythical hero/ half-god than historical leader; using that you could even add some kind of shrine/temples of the Bloody Axe to Easterlings buildings
Hope I helped a bit. If you need more ideas in the case, just give me know. I look forward to the next version of the mod so good luck ; )
^Good luck getting a team of LotR geeks to accept that.
I refrained to ask that when I saw TesalionLortus’s post but what would Thai people have with Easterlings? I didn’t found anything meaningful except Thai honorific title “Khun” and that would be hardly appropriate, to be gentle.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blatta Optima Maxima
Edit: Yes, I know you invented the term, but you can’t just invent words out of the thin air. It has to have some linguistic background…
Tolkien was philologist and when he "invented" words he did it right.
Just imagination, guys. Imagination... Sorry, I didn't know such term like khun exist and its quite known xD I just tried to use something which would remind word 'Rhun' and would have the same language construction.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jagmodo
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oh, now I see your edited addition. Of course, I know Tolkien did things like that. But he created in such way whole languages- and he never invented Easterlings, he described them in terms taken from elvish languages. We don't have any 'base'. For example we could use some combined words from elven languages to make new term, new faction name. But if we intend give the faction 'own' name, from its own roots, all we have is imagination. And its just a one term, you neednt create anything else ; ) so at least i think the best choice is too use the 'fictional' term (without any refferation to our true world) than using term directly from our world like khanat etc.- coz then we could have a lack of 'own' spirit for facion of Esterlings
BASIC LINGUISTIC IDEA
of course- Tolkien often used old (dead today) languages to adapt it into his fictional ones, but sadly i cannot campare myself to him and his linguistic knowwledge... Only thing i can offer is to use my own fictional words as a 'base' (from the book i write) but don't know it's good choice... The term could be too long and I'm sure it shoudnt be to complicated for players to read the name of the faction xD
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ok, quick coz need to be hurry and leave the home xD I've menaged something like this from my sornokish dictionary...
'rhinn'= vast
'kre'= power
From such terms they could make the title for the special, unical, leader, who stands beyond all tribes. Title of 'krerhin'? (kre-rhin) Krerhindom of the Bloody Axe?
IMPROVED IDEA
Edit once again : but now after I came back it needs small correction to be not 'primitive', so now its the time to use proper sornokish grammar:
'kre rhinnkhvie' which means literally: 'power of vasts' (power of vast tribes/ of many tribes/ tribes living in the vast land)
Tha man chosen for being the leader beyond all tribes, who can command all chiefs (and basically who can become a real ruler over all of them) could be called in the begining 'Power of all tribes' (means he give them power, and he is their power, coz unites them all= together they are stronger than ever and are stronger for themselves- not for Sauron like it was in the past... so calling the leader 'Power' have sense= without him they aren't strong).
And instead calling the leader whole time Power of vasts (kre rhinnkhvie) they started abbreviate the term. The final, shorten term shall be then something like: kerhinvie . But is not Kerhinviedom of the Bloody Axe too extreme name for simple players? Maybe then make it short into Kerhindom ? ( 'kerhin' who can stand beyond all of them ).
CONCLUSION
Huh... So at the end (unless you could accept such name like Kerhinviedom of the Bloody Axe which would be the most faithful product) we have easy-made Krerhindom of the Bloody Axe or easier to speak Kerhindom of the Bloody Axe (very similar but with much better linguistic background which i am able to do with my own creativity and abbilities.)
Check out my previous post in this thread for 'historical background' suggestions which fits the presented title (and think are correct for Easterling faction like you want to have them in new version of mod)
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Think it's enough from me for now (at least until you decide something guys). I tried to do my best here in the free time I had (and using my own fictional languages which was much quicker than looking for good-sounding old germanic/ old-english words which would take to much of my time today ; )
Think it's enough of linguistic fun for one word to game mod xD Hope there will be finally agreement upon some term and name for Easterling faction. I look forward to some new posts here.
And sorry if it's a bit confusing but I was writing all of this in short breaks in the day and i edited it few times adding next 'steps'
Alliance of Easterling Tribes
United Khanates of Rhun
Wainrider Confederation
I think these names could work. If not the name the faction already has is good.
Those are neither medieval nor barbaric :P. They look like ripped out of something extremely cheesy, like Paolini's Inheritance Cycle or something.
Any steppic tribal confederacy would be named by strongest leading tribe. Thus Hunns are well Hunns, despite more than 90% of their army were Germanic, Sarmatian and Scythian auxila units. So who is supposed to be leading tribe? Variags perhaps?
maybe like Variag Khaganate? in turkic language khagan is like king of kings, khan of khans, ruler above all other rulers
Well said about leading tribe but don't think variags could fit... This needs to be typical 'easterling' tribe and Variags (though they could be used as units, propably horsemen, they are not from Rhun but from Khand). And to compare- Khand would remind more Syrian Desert and its nomads, and Rhun would be some kind of more fertile Mesopotamia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hrobatos
I have already presented my name of leading tribe with some of reasons in my first post here, and then (coz Jagmodo focused my attention on this matter) i made 'lingustic background' of mine. But think no one of main figures from the team of FATW haven't seen it yet.
Maybe they already have the name chosen and didn't share with us? xD
Well it doesnt mean that Variags could have gotten upper hand upon rest of Easterling tribes... Besieds other than Balcoth and Vainraiders, I dont think any other Easterling tribes were even named.
We see and discuss everything that's posted on the forums, rest assured. We might not always comment right away because we haven't made a final decision.Quote:
Originally Posted by TesalionLortus
Oh, I thought you just propbaly left mode case for a while coz we had christmas and new year time. But glad to hear you keep an eye on the forum the whole time. This propably means you have seen my long post already when it was posted (in the most messy version xD) but i edited it last time a bit and added headlines so it's more readableQuote:
Originally Posted by Aradan
Khand already is a separate faction, so that doesn't make a lot of sense.
Also I really don't like the whole "Khan" thing. It's importing stereotypes and that's cheap.
Ever since this question was put forth months ago it has popped into my head on occasion. I have always liked Tribal Confederacy of Rhun, but I understand why the team wouldn't want to use that. The only other viable options that I have come up with are League of Rhun( Thessalian League, Aetolian League, etc.), but that may sound too civilized. It probably comes with the same issues that a confederacy does, but implies, a little better at least, the unification under one power. The other two ways of going about it are quite simple and historically sound; that is to call them by either the location that they are from(Sarmatians, Illyrians, Turks) or by a supposed most powerful people as mentioned above(Aedui, Averni, Huns, Mongols).
With any luck this is worthless wondering as you guys have come up with something.
IMO the best ive seen were : Rhunnic Clans.
Or maybe Clans of Rhun, Rhunnic Confederation.
For some reason i really prefer to at least have the word Rhun in it.
I quite like "Empire", after all the Classical definition of Empire is a state that covers various different ethnic groups.
'The Most Serene Republic of Rhûn' perhaps? :tongue:
I think associating the name with a region (Rhûn) or a tribe (Balchoth) is quite suitable.
A "cool" name could be 'Sons of Ulfang', named after Ulfang the Black (although it's 100% certain that the Easterlings of the First Age are the same as the Third Age ones). You could also use Ulfang for "houses" or tribes of the Easterlings, his sons Ulfast, Ulwarth and Uldor, as well (although that may be a bit far-fetched).
Also, using something that is typical of the Eastern lands could be used as well, like 'Tribes of the Kine (of Araw)', from whose horns the Horn of Gondor was made, or 'People of the Ox', although that sounds rather ridiculous.
Also, while searching for more Easterling names, I stumbled upon a description from the Encyclopedia of Arda about the Wainriders: "A confederation of Easterlings that descended upon Gondor and its allies". However, i don't own an English copy of LotR, so I can't confirm whether or not Tolkien uses this term as well.