Thank you PhilipO'Hayda, we appreciate your help!
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Thank you PhilipO'Hayda, we appreciate your help!
UPDATE: Economic impacts explanation added to OP
This really looks fantastic.
Are the social classes going to be tailored to the faction?, for example, will the Spartans have the Spartiate class & Helots.
And if they are tailored to the faction, how will this be handled when capturing a city?, will the classes change automatically to the new faction, or will all the current classes become the foreign class, and a slow trickle of the new factions classes make their way into the city? this would be an ideal way of cultural change instead of the % used currently.
It never ceases to amaze me how far this game has been improved by the community, fantastic work!
There will be culturally/factionally specific class names. We currently have 8 done with some more yet do add.Quote:
Originally Posted by zonks40
When a region is conquered the population will be foreign and citizen pop will have to be grown from the ground up.
A dream come true :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnar
Hello! And you will show the population statistics for a particular city (as Mitch), or for the region as a whole?
Hey Guys!
I have two agendas to address:
- This may have gone under in the barrage of asked questions, but is it possible to add in an efranchisment option?
More of the proposed ideas about this here!
- How about adding taking over population in their classes for factions of similar culture?
F.e.: Ptolemies/Seleucids/Attalids taking over their respective Macedonian citizens.
Some Seleucid κατοικίαι were taken over by Pergamum after the battle of Magnesia, without any loss of privilage or function.
Iīd say the same would have happened if Antiochos IV hadnīt been stopped by Popillius Laenas.
Logically speaking it would have been rather wasteful to not use a scarce military asset of such value.
@Xranitel - population is based on the region, not for a city. This is done because soldiers were not only recruited from city populations.
1) Thats an idea we may add in the future but not for the first release and probably also not for the vanilla versionQuote:
Originally Posted by Maetharin
2) As with 1, that is something that will probably be added to the Vae Victis version and not vanilla (maybe DeI? will let a dei member decide that though)
The vanilla version will be a more simplified version than what VV will get and probably also more simplified than what DeI will get (though I cant speak for the changes DeI plans to make)
Another simplification vanilla will have is that at the start there will be almost no foreign population. Foreign population will only be created via conquest. VV however, will have starting foreign populations especially in the east.
Why a simple version for vanilla? vanilla isn't meant to be historical. Its meant to be fun and easy to learn/understand. Additionally, the more fine details of the mod will likely vary between DeI and VV. So consider this vanilla version of the mod as a P++ Lite.
This mod is currently in pre-Beta and is currently being tested by VV and DeI testers while we continue to finish the last few bits and pieces that are left.
Once the VV and testers are happy with it, we will open it up to others for testing (still closed testing) and after that it will be released.
If you'd like to be one of those testers, post here and either litharion or myself will contact you.
updated OP
Immigration mechanic explanation
http://i.imgur.com/IhjpTZ3.jpg?1
Gonna be tough to recruit and maintain an army of elite spartans with less than 900 left :(
And no i didnt recruit any units with that pop yet. All my recruits so far were Perioikoi and Heilotes (in another region ofc)
Nice. Losing your elite units hurts now atleast double as much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnar
Funny fact is that THAT Heilote is working here and there in the whole Lacedaemon territory,...now THAT'S a slave as it's maximun expression lol
good Work!!
I know it is just a test and this pic does not represent the final outcome of the mod but in case those numers are not an example they are totlay wrong Mag.. 33.000 Neodamodeis? (meaning new citizens) and 1 helote ? :laughter:
the class names have changed for sparta now and starting helotes have been addedQuote:
Originally Posted by Phalangitis
Can hardly wait for this. This one and Greeks at War are keeping me on the edge
Bravo most impressive !!!! :thumbsup2
I just read that you added AI implementation to the to-do-list!
Awesome!
Here some suggestions from my side:
Iīd make it as simple as possible, since the AI canīt react to the finer nuances of the system anyway.
I donīt know how much lag it would cost to have multiple pop classes for the AI.
But if it doesnīt extend lag too much, Iīd have two classes representing rich and poor, with no distinction of social classes.
The proportions of their relative size to each other and their respective size to each of their "optimum" size should then cause economic and military effects.
But these should be gated to certain minima and maxima, so the AI doesnīt starce itīs economy and canīt recruit anymore.
Any thoughts or suggestions? Or even some concrete values for effects?
Best regards
The AI will get the exact same classes as the player but perhaps a % boost to their growth depending on how they copeQuote:
Originally Posted by Maetharin